Will “mass deportation” actually happen (12 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[Dragon]

Point taken, but I will say this out loud - if Biden and the Democrats would have better secured the border with Executive Order or regular power moves (without consent of Congress) PRIOR to the election, maybe Trump doesn't win a second term. The unsecure border was a huge issue heading into the 2024 election and democrats did nothing to stop it. I know they tried to pass a bipartisan border legislation that could have been a game changer that Trump squashed, but that does not give them a pass on handling the border better when they had the opportunity. I think it's one of the many cracks in the dam that allowed Trump to win.

So you're saying Biden should have bypassed Congress and acted unilaterally—essentially breaking the law—just to win an election? That sounds a lot like the kind of authoritarianism Trump regularly flirts with. The difference is, Biden actually respects the constitutional separation of powers. He worked within the system, backed a bipartisan deal, and it was Trump himself who killed it for political gain. You can’t blame Democrats for not "doing more" when they were literally blocked by the guy you’re excusing.

If you start rewarding leaders for ignoring checks and balances, you are not saving democracy—you are helping dismantle it.

 

[J-DONK]

Point taken, but I will say this out loud - if Biden and the Democrats would have better secured the border with Executive Order or regular power moves (without consent of Congress) PRIOR to the election, maybe Trump doesn't win a second term. The unsecure border was a huge issue heading into the 2024 election and democrats did nothing to stop it. I know they tried to pass a bipartisan border legislation that could have been a game changer that Trump squashed, but that does not give them a pass on handling the border better when they had the opportunity. I think it's one of the many cracks in the dam that allowed Trump to win.

I don't know what Biden could have done short of something like what Trump is doing now to actually stem the flow of immigrants trying to enter the country.

Illegal immigration was like the price of eggs. It was made into an issue, and has been for a while.

It's propaganda.

Let's be clear, about this country.

America is currently in it's second gilded age:

1. Unseen concentration of wealth.
2. Lowest production vs compensation for workers ever
3. Billionaires spending 100's of millions on elections in an effort to buy them. Also, using their social media platforms to do the same.
4. Housing has never been more unaffordable for the average American making an average wage.

What do illegal immigrants have to do with any of this? They are the outgroup picked to blame for all of society's woes. Authoritarian's follow the same playbook.

FYI: Make no mistake about it, history books will remember this period of American history in this exact context: "America's Second Gilded Age". They won't talk about the horde of illegall immigrants, but the tactics used to blame them instead instead of American power structures that lead to the second gilded age, and actions to further entrench it.

Edit to add: The real question to ask is: How did Republicans make immigrants the outgroup in society? The general answer is they just repeated it for years. Does anyone here remember when the Clinton's were the "Good Democrats" when Obama was president? Then it went back to the Clinton Crime Family, and that turned into the Biden Crime Family. I know I talk down to Republicans on this board, but how dumb do you have to be to beleive this stuff?

 

[TampaJoe]

You know that thread exists. You've posted in it. That makes your comment about not hearing from MT about her thoughts on change within the Democratic Party pretty forking disingenuous.

Whatever. You add nothing. Just picking nits.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Whatever. You add nothing. Just picking nits.

As are you.

 

[TampaJoe]

As are you.

I have said more than once what I would like to see in an immigration bill.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

I have said more than once what I would like to see in an immigration bill.

That doesn't negate the fact that you pick nits, just as you are doing now.

 

[TampaJoe]

That doesn't negate the fact that you pick nits, just as you are doing now.

Okay. Matter of perspective I guess.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Okay. Matter of perspective I guess.

That's the point.

 

[Bayouboy]

So you're saying Biden should have bypassed Congress and acted unilaterally—essentially breaking the law—just to win an election? That sounds a lot like the kind of authoritarianism Trump regularly flirts with. The difference is, Biden actually respects the constitutional separation of powers. He worked within the system, backed a bipartisan deal, and it was Trump himself who killed it for political gain. You can’t blame Democrats for not "doing more" when they were literally blocked by the guy you’re excusing.

If you start rewarding leaders for ignoring checks and balances, you are not saving democracy—you are helping dismantle it.

By executive order.

If folks here will not admit there was a border problem under Joe Biden's leadership, you folks are no different that Tampa and any other MAGA cultists. You are simply not living in the world of facts. EVERY President in the last half century has had issues with illegals crossing the border. It's been an issue forever. But, it was substantially worse under Biden. It was as if they had no desire to stem the tide. I don't have the numbers in front of me (and I don't care to go searching for them), but certain policies under Biden allowed for "more open" borders than in the past. Like it or not, that's a fact. Go find the numbers if you want.

A year or more before the election, the Democrats knew it was an issue. To their credit, they got a real bipartisan bill that could have really helped the situation. Trump killed it. I get it. Trump sacrificed the country for his own political gains. Unfortunately, it helped him win. But even without the real, comprehensive change (bipartisan bill), Biden could have used executive order to close up the border more. It's basically what Trump did, and he has successfully stemmed the tide. Now, it was at a cost in human rights and the like, but Biden could have made some adjustments to decrease the flow of illegals. They strategically chose not to do anything. Harris doubled down on the error by saying "she wouldn't change anything". This did not help the Democrats in the 2024 Presidential race, it hurt them.

I'm as anti-Trump as anyone on this board. I didn't think I could dislike him any more than post-Jan 6th and everything that's happened prior to the election, but I was mistaken. What is happening before my eyes in the last 5 months or so makes me have improper thoughts. I think he is ruining our country. I genuinely "hate" the dude for what he's doing. But I'm calling a spade a spade. The Democrats hold some of the blame for Trump getting re-elected. Two obvious problems were 1) the border & 2) running back Joe Biden. If you folks have your heads in the sand where you can't admit that......then I can't have a serious conversation with you all.

 

[Dragon]

By executive order.

If folks here will not admit there was a border problem under Joe Biden's leadership, you folks are no different that Tampa and any other MAGA cultists. You are simply not living in the world of facts. EVERY President in the last half century has had issues with illegals crossing the border. It's been an issue forever. But, it was substantially worse under Biden. It was as if they had no desire to stem the tide. I don't have the numbers in front of me (and I don't care to go searching for them), but certain policies under Biden allowed for "more open" borders than in the past. Like it or not, that's a fact. Go find the numbers if you want.

A year or more before the election, the Democrats knew it was an issue. To their credit, they got a real bipartisan bill that could have really helped the situation. Trump killed it. I get it. Trump sacrificed the country for his own political gains. Unfortunately, it helped him win. But even without the real, comprehensive change (bipartisan bill), Biden could have used executive order to close up the border more. It's basically what Trump did, and he has successfully stemmed the tide. Now, it was at a cost in human rights and the like, but Biden could have made some adjustments to decrease the flow of illegals. They strategically chose not to do anything. Harris doubled down on the error by saying "she wouldn't change anything". This did not help the Democrats in the 2024 Presidential race, it hurt them.

I'm as anti-Trump as anyone on this board. I didn't think I could dislike him any more than post-Jan 6th and everything that's happened prior to the election, but I was mistaken. What is happening before my eyes in the last 5 months or so makes me have improper thoughts. I think he is ruining our country. I genuinely "hate" the dude for what he's doing. But I'm calling a spade a spade. The Democrats hold some of the blame for Trump getting re-elected. Two obvious problems were 1) the border & 2) running back Joe Biden. If you folks have your heads in the sand where you can't admit that......then I can't have a serious conversation with you all.

Yes Trump closed the border and was allowed to do so by the courts due to Covid but once that "emergency" was over, it was no longer legal - and I don't think you would support breaking the law. Another issue with prolonging the closure would be that Mexico refused to take the refugees/immigrants back once that agreement expired - so what did you want Biden to do - given those two facts ?

 

[bird]

Point taken, but I will say this out loud - if Biden and the Democrats would have better secured the border with Executive Order or regular power moves (without consent of Congress) PRIOR to the election, maybe Trump doesn't win a second term. The unsecure border was a huge issue heading into the 2024 election and democrats did nothing to stop it. I know they tried to pass a bipartisan border legislation that could have been a game changer that Trump squashed, but that does not give them a pass on handling the border better when they had the opportunity. I think it's one of the many cracks in the dam that allowed Trump to win.

Maybe, maybe not. They were deporting more people than the Orange Orangutan did his first term, iirc.

I agree with the sentiment that Republicans really don’t want anything substantive done. It is a bright shiny object designed to divert attention from the things they are doing.

It is theatre.

 

[Optimus Prime]

we'll see how this goes
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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Local, state, and federal law enforcement officers who cover their faces while conducting official business could face a misdemeanor charge in California under a new proposal announced Monday.

The bill would require all law enforcement officials show their faces and be identifiable by their uniform, which should carry their name or other identifier. It would not apply to the National Guard or other troops and it exempts SWAT teams and officers responding to natural disasters.

State Sen. Scott Wiener, a Democrat representing San Francisco, and State Sen. Jesse Arreguin, a Democrat representing Berkeley and Oakland, said the proposal seeks to boost transparency and public trust in law enforcement. It also looks to protect against people trying to impersonate law enforcement, they said.

“We are seeing more and more law enforcement officers, particularly at the federal level, covering their faces entirely, not identifying themselves at all and, at times, even wearing army fatigues where we can't tell if these are law enforcement officers or a vigilante militia,” Wiener said.

“They are grabbing people off our streets and disappearing people, and it's terrifying,” he added.

In Los Angeles, a series of immigration raids June 6 by federal officers, some with face coverings, triggered days of turbulent protests across the city and beyond and led President Donald Trump to deploy National Guard troops and Marines to the LA area. More than 100 people were detained during those raids and immigrant advocates say they have not been able to contact them...........

Officers who cover their faces could be charged with a misdemeanor under California proposal

Local, state, and federal law enforcement officers who cover their faces while conducting official business could face a misdemeanor charge in California under a new proposal announced Monday.

apnews.com

 

[bird]

The border is not and never has been open. That is a RW and corporate media talking point. The vast majority overstay legal visas. The RW pushed the “the borders are wide open” nonsense to every idiot talking head in media thus giving the impression to those that wanted to migrate that it was ok to do so.

The crossing of the Rio Grande could have been dealt with literally 50 years ago by actually building immigration processing centers in San Diego, El Paso and wherever else. We knew that decades of U.S.government interference and varying degrees of corruption in our dealings with Latin America caused much of the mess that has resulted in the movement of people. Hell, it has happened internally in the U.S. in the past.

 

[Optimus Prime]

NEWBERG, Ore — Moises Sotelo-Casas was taken into U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody early Thursday morning outside St. Michael's Episcopal Church in Newberg, according to his daughter Alondra Sotelo-Garcia.

He is now being held at the Northwest Detention Center in Tacoma, Washington.

Sotelo-Garcia said she discovered her father's detention after a neighbor spotted his truck and alerted her mother.

When they confirmed it was his truck, she tracked his location to ICE's Portland facility.

"I was crying, I was a mess," she said.

She first saw him in person just hours later.

"He was in chains at his feet," Sotelo-Garcia said. "Shoelaces were taken off, his belt was off, he didn't have his ring, he didn't have his watch. Everything was taken from him."

Sotelo-Casas, who has lived in the U.S. since the 1990s and runs a vineyard servicing business called Novo Start Vineyard Service, had recently begun the legal immigration process under the Biden administration, but things have changed since the Trump administration took over, according to Sotelo-Garcia.

"I know there's a lot of talk of, 'Well, he's been here that long, why hasn't he stepped up to do things the right way?' But sometimes laws don't play in your favor. You know when you're trying to do it, sometimes money is a big factor. Sometimes money and laws at the same time are just not cooperating at that time," she said.

She said while she understands ICE's job to detain those who are actual criminals, she said that's not her father.

KGW was not able to find any criminal records related to Sotelo-Casas.

The incident has already had a chilling effect and has instilled even more fear in the community, according to Cindra Gray, a deacon at St. Michael's Episcopal Church.

"Normally we would have 40 to 50 people in church on a Sunday for our Spanish service, and today we had 12, and no children, just adult children was all that came," said Gray.

"A lot of people told me they were afraid to come out, even to come out of their houses, going to the store in the dark at night, trying to hide and stay under the radar," she continued.

She said during Trump's first administration, while there was still fear, it was nothing like how it is now.................

Oregon father detained by ICE outside church as community fears deportation

Moises Sotelo-Casas was arrested by ICE outside St. Michael's Episcopal Church. His detention has caused fear in the Latino community.

www.kgw.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

So now, states rights mean nothing to the Republican Party. This should be concerning to a certain block of their voters that believe the Civil War was a war that was fought because of state rights.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Immigration and Customs Enforcement could run out of money as soon as next month amid the Trump administration’s ramped-up efforts to deport unauthorized immigrants.

While there are more than three months left in the fiscal year, one estimate has found that the agency is already $1 billion over budget, according to Axios.

Legislators in both parties have raised concerns about the speed at which the agency is spending its funds, which may prompt President Donald Trump to seek additional funds from other agencies to support his deportation efforts.….

ICE could run out of money next month and is already $1bn over budget

The Department of Homeland Security has requested an extra $2 billion to meet its needs by the end of September

www.independent.co.uk

 

[J-DONK]

So now, states rights mean nothing to the Republican Party. This should be concerning to a certain block of their voters that believe the Civil War was a war that was fought because of state rights.

I would also point out CA, IL, and NY are all tax generators.

Would any conservative on the board like to figure out how these paragons of net revenue can do so while being saddled with a horde of illegal immigrants?