Will “mass deportation” actually happen (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[TampaJoe]

100% this

Correct. GOP policy doesn’t fix everything. It does fix somethings. I has greatly reduced traffic across our borders. It is not a viable solution as to how we deal with illegal migrants already in this country.

That will take legislation.

The previous bill codified a lax border policy. That I cannot support. Securing the border was always a sticking point for the GOP. That appears to be handled. So in my view, this is a good time to access the effectiveness of current border policy as well fashion policy that deals with the millions of undocumented migrants that remain.

I don’t really care who offers the legislation. Dem or GOP. It needs to be done.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

If you and 90 percent of your party seriously believed all those things you noted in your third paragraph, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

I want a better immigration system. The Biden/Mayorkas policy wasn’t it. The voters obviously rejected that. It doesn’t sound like anything would change under a different Dem administration.

So if you want change, maybe come up with some ideas you and your party are willing to support. Then come back and talk. Otherwise, it looks like you have nothing to offer the voters other than empty rhetoric.

That was the bipartisan bill proposed in 2024, that was shot down by Trump. At this point, I think the solution is to start talking about the issue honestly. It's not about law and order. So, let's define the risks and costs and benefits, and get a common understanding of that.

 

[TampaJoe]

That was the bipartisan bill proposed in 2024, that was shot down by Trump. At this point, I think the solution is to start talking about the issue honestly. It's not about law and order. So, let's define the risks and costs and benefits, and get a common understanding of that.

Law and order has to be part of the discussion. I have no issue with discussing the other as well.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Law and order has to be part of the discussion. I have no issue with discussing the other as well.

Law and Order goes out of the window when supporting someone who has been convicted of 30+ felonies, sexual assault, tax cheat, failing to pay vendors, running a bogus charity, running a bogus online university, inciting a riot at the Capitol

Or voting for people who will support that someone no matter what (for those who claim that they didn't vote for Trump)

Awfully selective on what laws are important and when order is necessary

Forever MAGA/GOP Mantra: It's okay when we do it

In fact, more than just law and order, claims of caring about character, honesty, responsibility and accountability also go out the window

 

[Sendai]

“
In this report, the Congressional Budget Office estimates how the surge in immigration that began in 2021 affected state and local budgets in 2023. In addition to estimating the direct effects of the surge, CBO calculated an alternative measure that includes the potential broader or longer-term effects and costs that were borne without adding to spending—such as crowding in public schools and public transportation systems. By either measure, the surge imposed a net cost.

• Direct Effects. The surge led to a direct increase in revenues of $10.1 billion, primarily from sales taxes, and a direct increase in spending of $19.3 billion, chiefly for public elementary and secondary education, shelter and related services, and border security. The result was a direct net cost of $9.2 billion in 2023, amounting to 0.3 percent of state and local spending (net of federal grants-in-aid).
• Potential Effects. In addition to those direct effects, CBO's alternative measure accounts for expected increases in property tax revenues, additional tax revenues from greater economic activity, and nonbudgetary costs associated with greater demand for government services. By that measure, the surge in immigration had the potential to increase revenues by $18.8 billion and spending by $28.6 billion, resulting in a potential net cost to state and local governments of $9.8 billion in 2023.”

Effects of the Surge in Immigration on State and Local Budgets in 2023

CBO estimates how the surge in immigration that began in 2021 affected state and local budgets in 2023. State and local tax revenues grew, but the costs of providing services grew more.

www.cbo.gov

 

[Optimus Prime]

President Donald Trump announced Thursday that “changes are coming” to protect farmers from losing workers to his aggressive deportation campaign, but no such policy changes are underway, according to three people with knowledge of the administration’s immigration policies.

Trump’s comments in a social media post sought to soothe industry leaders in the agriculture and hospitality fields, said a White House official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the president’s thinking, as many business leaders remain unnerved by the president’s sweeping deportation campaigns.

The official said there will be “no change” in the current approach to deportations, adding that no carveout exists currently for farm, hotel or other migrant workers who are in the country illegally. The administration previously directed U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement workers to avoid raiding farms, the person said, noting that agents have swept food production facilities. Immigration enforcement activity appeared to take place at two farms in California this week, however, as the administration escalated deportation efforts.

Trump’s public comments and follow-up remarks Thursday reflected a president pulled in two directions, with some business owners pointing out that whole sectors of the economy depend on the labor of people Trump is deporting, while influential MAGA commentators press him to deliver on the aggressive campaign promises that helped lift him to office. As the day wore on, Trump appeared to swing between the competing factions, explaining farmers’ predicament to reporters and saying he thought the White House would “have an order on that soon,” but also posting on social media Thursday afternoon that undocumented immigrants “have stolen American Jobs.”

Tom Homan, Trump’s border czar, said in an interview with The Washington Post that he has not discussed with the president any such changes to protect farm or hotel workers, and that he so far hasn’t been part of creating a policy to protect certain types of workers.

“I have not seen any instruction, anything that changes in the near future,” Homan said.

Widespread deportations of farm workers could have significant impacts on the country’s food supplies — not only causing shortages in grocery stores, but affecting farmers’ bottom line.

While many farmers depend on foreign-born workers, including those without legal status, to work for low wages and in physically demanding conditions, farmers emerged as strong supporters of Trump in November. Farm-dependent counties, defined by the U.S. Department of Agriculture as counties where at least one-quarter of earnings come from farming, voted overwhelmingly for Trump in 2024, despite his focus on illegal immigration — a signature issue since he launched his first presidential bid 10 years ago this month..............

Despite Trump’s claim, no policy change underway for migrant farmworkers​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/06/13/trump-immigrant-farm-workers-hospitality/

 

[J-DONK]

That was the bipartisan bill proposed in 2024, that was shot down by Trump. At this point, I think the solution is to start talking about the issue honestly. It's not about law and order. So, let's define the risks and costs and benefits, and get a common understanding of that.

I don't think Republicans ever want this issue solved. Trump inflamed this situation so the media, and his base would focus on this.

Look at this thread, it's the only one conseratives are willing to discuss.

I really wish one of them would address why Trump is focusing on only Democratic cities?

Trump orders ICE officers to expand deportation efforts in Democratic cities | CNN Politics

President Donald Trump called for Immigration and Customs Enforcement to expand deportation efforts in Democratic cities and “do all in their power” to achieve mass deportations in a social media post Sunday.

www.cnn.com

“We must expand efforts to detain and deport Illegal Aliens in America’s largest Cities, such as Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York, where Millions upon Millions of Illegal Aliens reside,”

There are tons of illegal immgrants working on rural, conservative farmland.

 

[Dragon]

President Donald Trump announced Thursday that “changes are coming” to protect farmers from losing workers to his aggressive deportation campaign, but no such policy changes are underway, according to three people with knowledge of the administration’s immigration policies.

Trump’s comments in a social media post sought to soothe industry leaders in the agriculture and hospitality fields, said a White House official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the president’s thinking, as many business leaders remain unnerved by the president’s sweeping deportation campaigns.

The official said there will be “no change” in the current approach to deportations, adding that no carveout exists currently for farm, hotel or other migrant workers who are in the country illegally. The administration previously directed U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement workers to avoid raiding farms, the person said, noting that agents have swept food production facilities. Immigration enforcement activity appeared to take place at two farms in California this week, however, as the administration escalated deportation efforts.

Trump’s public comments and follow-up remarks Thursday reflected a president pulled in two directions, with some business owners pointing out that whole sectors of the economy depend on the labor of people Trump is deporting, while influential MAGA commentators press him to deliver on the aggressive campaign promises that helped lift him to office. As the day wore on, Trump appeared to swing between the competing factions, explaining farmers’ predicament to reporters and saying he thought the White House would “have an order on that soon,” but also posting on social media Thursday afternoon that undocumented immigrants “have stolen American Jobs.”

Tom Homan, Trump’s border czar, said in an interview with The Washington Post that he has not discussed with the president any such changes to protect farm or hotel workers, and that he so far hasn’t been part of creating a policy to protect certain types of workers.

“I have not seen any instruction, anything that changes in the near future,” Homan said.

Widespread deportations of farm workers could have significant impacts on the country’s food supplies — not only causing shortages in grocery stores, but affecting farmers’ bottom line.

While many farmers depend on foreign-born workers, including those without legal status, to work for low wages and in physically demanding conditions, farmers emerged as strong supporters of Trump in November. Farm-dependent counties, defined by the U.S. Department of Agriculture as counties where at least one-quarter of earnings come from farming, voted overwhelmingly for Trump in 2024, despite his focus on illegal immigration — a signature issue since he launched his first presidential bid 10 years ago this month..............

Despite Trump’s claim, no policy change underway for migrant farmworkers​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/06/13/trump-immigrant-farm-workers-hospitality/

Trump has a "concept of a plan" - until something directly influences the flow of money to him, nothing is going to change

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

“
In this report, the Congressional Budget Office estimates how the surge in immigration that began in 2021 affected state and local budgets in 2023. In addition to estimating the direct effects of the surge, CBO calculated an alternative measure that includes the potential broader or longer-term effects and costs that were borne without adding to spending—such as crowding in public schools and public transportation systems. By either measure, the surge imposed a net cost.

• Direct Effects. The surge led to a direct increase in revenues of $10.1 billion, primarily from sales taxes, and a direct increase in spending of $19.3 billion, chiefly for public elementary and secondary education, shelter and related services, and border security. The result was a direct net cost of $9.2 billion in 2023, amounting to 0.3 percent of state and local spending (net of federal grants-in-aid).
• Potential Effects. In addition to those direct effects, CBO's alternative measure accounts for expected increases in property tax revenues, additional tax revenues from greater economic activity, and nonbudgetary costs associated with greater demand for government services. By that measure, the surge in immigration had the potential to increase revenues by $18.8 billion and spending by $28.6 billion, resulting in a potential net cost to state and local governments of $9.8 billion in 2023.”

Effects of the Surge in Immigration on State and Local Budgets in 2023

CBO estimates how the surge in immigration that began in 2021 affected state and local budgets in 2023. State and local tax revenues grew, but the costs of providing services grew more.

www.cbo.gov

Yes, this is the sort of thing that helps frame the discussion in what the explicit costs are.

 

[Bayouboy]

I doubt it

How many items are on the list of "Is this the thing that finally turns people against Trump and MAGA?"

And it never is

The next "is this the thing?" won't be the thing either

If January 6th wasn't the turning point then there is no such thing as a turning point

This is what they what they voted for. This is exactly what they want

Guarantee you this exact video on Twitter is full of disgustingly gleeful comments

You are right. I was caught up in the moment.

 

[MT15]

I may not agree with you on everything but you at least have some idea about what you would change.

There are many of us who have posted ideas about what should change in this thread. You just ignore whatever you feel like ignoring.

 

[TampaJoe]

There are many of us who have posted ideas about what should change in this thread. You just ignore whatever you feel like ignoring.

You have opinions about what the other party needs to change. Haven’t heard much from you on what you would change in your own party.

 

[Optimus Prime]

You have opinions about what the other party needs to change. Haven’t heard much from you on what you would change in your own party.

Other than this long thread discussing exactly that

What happens to the Democratic Party now?

I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogueHarris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House...

madaboutpolitics.com

 

[TampaJoe]

I don't think Republicans ever want this issue solved. Trump inflamed this situation so the media, and his base would focus on this.

Look at this thread, it's the only one conseratives are willing to discuss.

I really wish one of them would address why Trump is focusing on only Democratic cities?

Trump orders ICE officers to expand deportation efforts in Democratic cities | CNN Politics

President Donald Trump called for Immigration and Customs Enforcement to expand deportation efforts in Democratic cities and “do all in their power” to achieve mass deportations in a social media post Sunday.

www.cnn.com

There are tons of illegal immgrants working on rural, conservative farmland.

He is focusing on sanctuary cities. All of them are blue. I don’t think I can name a single red sanctuary city.

Sanctuary cities. That’s a good topic as well. Cities and states that take federal money but choose to ignore or not cooperate with the Feds on laws with which they disagree. IMO, it’s bad policy.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Other than this long thread discussing exactly that

What happens to the Democratic Party now?

I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogueHarris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House...

madaboutpolitics.com

You can't expect Joe to know that. It's not like the thread is on the front page ... or was at the very top as recently as this weekend... or that he's posted it in himself over a dozen times...

 

[TampaJoe]

Other than this long thread discussing exactly that

What happens to the Democratic Party now?

I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogueHarris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House...

madaboutpolitics.com

Except we are discussing this topic in this thread and the question has been asked here repeatedly.

 

[Bayouboy]

I'll edit to add: Sendai pointed out in this thread that border crossing's are down. What he didn't mention is ALL border crossing's are down. Tourism is seeing a 8-10% decrease because no one wants to come to this country right now.

Point taken, but I will say this out loud - if Biden and the Democrats would have better secured the border with Executive Order or regular power moves (without consent of Congress) PRIOR to the election, maybe Trump doesn't win a second term. The unsecure border was a huge issue heading into the 2024 election and democrats did nothing to stop it. I know they tried to pass a bipartisan border legislation that could have been a game changer that Trump squashed, but that does not give them a pass on handling the border better when they had the opportunity. I think it's one of the many cracks in the dam that allowed Trump to win.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Except we are discussing this topic in this thread and the question has been asked here repeatedly.

You know that thread exists. You've posted in it. That makes your comment about not hearing from MT about her thoughts on change within the Democratic Party pretty forking disingenuous.