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    It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

    Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

    Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

     
    TampaJoe said:
    Come on Sam. Nobody is talking about mass execution. I do agree it is cost prohibitive to deport millions of people. Biden knew that. Mayorkas knew that. Everybody knew that. And yet they allowed millions to stream into this country unvetted. They knew this was going to happen. It was predictable and was predicted. Oh yeah, they said “don’t come” and yet they came anyway by the millions. And the previous administration allowed them in and gave them notices to appear 4 or 5 years out.

    Now this is just my opinion, but that “policy” was either naive and reckless or it was planned. And it backfired on the folks who implemented it. They paid for it at the polls. It was one factor that cost them the last election.

    Nothing about this is good. What we should be doing is working together to remove the bad actors that crossed our borders illegally, securing our borders and working together to fashion an immigration policy that makes sense moving forward and also deals with the undocumented migrants that are already here simply looking for work. As you pointed out, it isn’t cost effective to deport 10 million people.
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    Nobody in Germany was talking about mass executions at first, mass executions came about along the twisty winding road they traveled as a society.

    However mass executions were foreseeable once the Nazi's came to power. Their rhetoric was that hateful, it made the situation foreseeable for thinking persons. We are now experiencing hateful rhetoric on about the same level that they had in the late 1930's in Germany.

    So come on Joe, don't misuse my mention of mass execution in my opinion. I was in effect telling the Nazi Germany story, telling how it came to pass that they had mass executions.

    You stoked the rhetorical fire with your mention of "bad actors," Statistics do not show that immigrants are more inclined to be bad actors than our own normal citizens are bad actors.

    People everywhere are people. People are not illegal.
     
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    SamAndreas said:
    Nobody in Germany was talking about mass executions at first, mass executions came about along the twisty winding road they traveled as a society.

    However mass executions were foreseeable once the Nazi's came to power. Their rhetoric was that hateful, it made the situation foreseeable for thinking persons. We are now experiencing hateful rhetoric on about the same level that they had in the late 1930's in Germany.

    So come on Joe, don't misuse my mention of mass execution in my opinion. I was in effect telling the Nazi Germany story, telling how it came to pass that they had mass executions.

    You stoked the rhetorical fire with your mention of "bad actors," Statistics do not show that immigrants are more inclined to be bad actors than our own normal citizens are bad actors.

    People everywhere are people. People are not illegal.
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    Having read quite a bit about the 1930’s, I can tell you the rhetoric and the tactics today as compared to then are no where close. That is just my opinion. I don’t think it helps the conversation to make that kind of comparison. Comparing people to Nazi’s is pretty strong rhetoric in and of itself.

    I didn’t say that all undocumented migrants are bad actors. In fact I said we should be looking to fashion policy that deals with immigration in the future as well as deals with the undocumented migrants that are here just to work. I agree with you that we aren’t going to deport all of them. I am only interested in deporting the bad actors that would have been denied entry into the country had they been properly vetted in the first place. I think both parties can agree we don’t want another bad actors from other countries.
     
    TampaJoe said:
    I and the vast majority of folks in this country prefer a stable, secure and controlled border. Had we had a stable, secure and controlled border perhaps we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Further, I and the vast majority of folks in this country prefer law and order where federal state and local law enforcement work together and cooperate. Not sanctuary cities and states. I have held this view long before Trump got into politics. You call it cognitive dissonance. It’s actually common sense and consistency. I am not surprised you don’t know the difference.
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    You have been fed so much propaganda through Fox News. You think you're exhibiting common sense and consistency but all you keep spewing out on the subject of immigration is right wing rhetoric. Biden actually worked to find real solution to the immigration problem throughout his presidency. Nothing Trump has done will solve the immigration issues long term. He isn't going to kick out all illegals, he isn't going to stop the flow of immigrants into the country long term, he isn't going to bring order to anything. It's all fools gold because his solutions aren't policy focused. His solutions are authoritarian driven and draconian and they will eventually pass with him, if we're able to sustain our government/country. And saying that the majority of folks prefer law and order (as in they like what they're seeing from Trump) when Trump pardoned all of the insurrectionist criminals from January 6th, is carrying out an illegal and unconstitutional deployment of the military on US soil, is illegally deporting people left and right into foreign gulags, is using gestapo tactics to arrest people with agents covered and unidentifiable, and all the other illegal things he's doing, that are too much to list, is the height of cognitive dissonance. But I'm not surprised you can't see that.
     
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    coldseat said:
    You have been fed so much propaganda through Fox News. You think you're exhibiting common sense and consistency but all you keep spewing out on the subject of immigration is right wing rhetoric. Biden actually worked to find real solution to the immigration problem throughout his presidency. Nothing Trump has done will solve the immigration issues long term. He isn't going to kick out all illegals, he isn't going to stop the flow of immigrants into the country long term, he isn't going to bring order to anything. It's all fools gold because his solutions aren't policy focused. His solutions are authoritarian driven and draconian and they will eventually pass with him, if we're able to sustain our government/country. And saying that the majority of folks prefer law and order (as in they like what they're seeing from Trump) when Trump pardoned all of the insurrectionist criminals from January 6th, is carrying out an illegal and unconstitutional deployment of military on US soil, is illegally deporting people left and right into foreign gulags, is using gestapo tactics to arrest people with agents covered and unidentifiable, and every all the other illegal things he's doing, that are too much to list, is the height of cognitive dissonance. But I'm not surprised you can't see that.
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    If I thought the vast majority of people agreed with Trumps vision of law and order I would have said as much. But that wasn’t what I said. Putting words in my mouth and calling it cognitive dissonance is both dishonest and ignorant.

    Obviously the vast majority of people didn’t agree with Biden/Harris on the border. That was partially reflected in their dismal polling on this issue and I believe was reflected in the election result.

    So if your party has a desire to move this forward, I suggest working with the majority towards a bipartisan solution.
     
    TampaJoe said:
    If I thought the vast majority of people agreed with Trumps vision of law and order I would have said as much. But that wasn’t what I said. Putting words in my mouth and calling it cognitive dissonance is both dishonest and ignorant.

    Obviously the vast majority of people didn’t agree with Biden/Harris on the border. That was partially reflected in their dismal polling on this issue and I believe was reflected in the election result.

    So if your party has a desire to move this forward, I suggest working with the majority towards a bipartisan solution.
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    The words "vast" & "majority" are doing some heavy lifting!
     
    coldseat said:
    You say that like it wasn't already attempted and rejected by Republicans with a Republican sponsored immigration plan.
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    It is a suggestion for both parties. This isn’t going to be solved in a partisan manner. Any solution needs to be bipartisan. So I would suggest they keep working the problem until it gets solved. It isn’t going away.
     
    DJ1BigTymer said:
    ICYMI,

    Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 - Wikipedia

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    Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013 - Wikipedia

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    Immigration policy of the Joe Biden administration - Wikipedia

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    All were bi-partisan efforts and the GOP killed'em all.
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    Okay. So what next? Give up? Try again? Whine more? Complain more?

    Many times people who want change, don’t give up quite so easily. Sometimes they succeed.
     
    I came across this but it appears to be bogus. It says 2nd Battalion 23ed Marines.

    The problem with that is it's the 2nd Battalion 7th Marines who have been sent to LA.

    The 2nd Battalion 23ed marines are in S Korea for a combined force exercise.



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    TampaJoe said:
    Okay. So what next? Give up? Try again? Whine more? Complain more?

    Many times people who want change, don’t give up quite so easily. Sometimes they succeed.
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    Tell me again about how this need to resolved by bi-partisan effort. Hell, Republicans tried to kill the Reagan Immigration bill. Republicans are not interested in addressing an issue that they can ALWAYS rely on for campaign red meat.
     
    Heaven help us:

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    Our useless Secretary of Defence doesn't even know who's who in our military. The Marines are not coming from Camp Pendleton, they are coming from 29 Palms.
     
    SamAndreas said:
    Heaven help us:

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    Our useless Secretary of Defence doesn't even know who's who in our military. The Marines are not coming from Camp Pendleton, they are coming from 29 Palms.
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    He's an idiot, he testified today stating it is his duty to preserve law & order. That's not his job!
     

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