The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (5 Viewers)

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There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
 
Checkmate Libruls!





A Pennsylvania man was sentenced to five years probation after he admitted to illegally casting his dead mother’s ballot for former president Donald Trump during the 2020 presidential election......




The highest criminal court in Texas on Wednesday announced that it has agreed to hear an appeal in the case of Crystal Mason, the Texas woman who was sentenced to five years in prison for unknowingly casting an illegal provisional ballot that was not counted in the November 2016 election......

 



A Pennsylvania man was sentenced to five years probation after he admitted to illegally casting his dead mother’s ballot for former president Donald Trump during the 2020 presidential election......




The highest criminal court in Texas on Wednesday announced that it has agreed to hear an appeal in the case of Crystal Mason, the Texas woman who was sentenced to five years in prison for unknowingly casting an illegal provisional ballot that was not counted in the November 2016 election......



The Mason case is forking appalling.
 
This is a pretty good breakdown of one of the bat shirt conspiracy theories pushed by the con artists and grifters who are attracted to Trump. It’s about the idea that somehow an Italian defense contractor hacked voting machines to change votes. The woman who started it is one of these grifters who recently entered a vacant home that is for sale in VA and claimed it was her home for an interview with foreign press. 🤪

 
Many lawyers are terrible with the use of citation in general. In this particular case, the guy could have cited to one case that collects a series of others cases. Of course it's equally bad when lawyers cite to twenty cases when one or two will do. Parentheticals are a good lawyer's best friend!
 
Many lawyers are terrible with the use of citation in general. In this particular case, the guy could have cited to one case that collects a series of others cases. Of course it's equally bad when lawyers cite to twenty cases when one or two will do. Parentheticals are a good lawyer's best friend!
There's a happy medium between string citing and citing no authority whatsoever.
 
Time to pay the piper...


Michigan officials on Wednesday demanded that lawyers who unsuccessfully sued to overturn former President Donald Trump's election defeat in the state pay about $200,000 to reimburse for legal fees and related costs.

U.S. District Judge Linda Parker ruled last month that state and local election officials in Michigan were entitled to reimbursement of their legal fees, but has not yet determined the exact amount. The judge will now review the $200,000 request to determine if it is reasonable.
 
Time to pay the piper...

They’ll just fundraise/crowdsource it. Hell, probably turn a profit off the MAGA money.
 
So I guess this is the new normal now for the GOP, claim voter fraud before the election even happens then angrily scream voter fraud if you lose
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............This week, Laxalt flatly declared his campaign will “file lawsuits early” to “secure this election,” as if it’s a foregone conclusion that a loss would be dubious by definition. Worse, Laxalt vowed to avoid the supposed mistakes of 2020, in which the election was “rigged” and the only failure was that Trump campaign lawsuits “came too late.”

Laxalt, then, will begin contesting any eventual loss right now, because otherwise Democrats will succeed in stealing another election. This, too, is a declaration in advance not to accept a loss as a legitimate outcome.

And then, when the press covered his despicable threat, Laxalt rejoiced that he was “triggering the media,” smarmily insisting the press is attacking anyone who wants “secure” and “fair” elections.

In fact, Laxalt is the one threatening to undermine secure and fair elections. Indeed, as this demonstrates, for Trumpist politicians, the refusal to commit to respecting legitimate election losses is now a badge of honor.........

 
So I guess this is the new normal now for the GOP, claim voter fraud before the election even happens then angrily scream voter fraud if you lose
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............This week, Laxalt flatly declared his campaign will “file lawsuits early” to “secure this election,” as if it’s a foregone conclusion that a loss would be dubious by definition. Worse, Laxalt vowed to avoid the supposed mistakes of 2020, in which the election was “rigged” and the only failure was that Trump campaign lawsuits “came too late.”

Laxalt, then, will begin contesting any eventual loss right now, because otherwise Democrats will succeed in stealing another election. This, too, is a declaration in advance not to accept a loss as a legitimate outcome.

And then, when the press covered his despicable threat, Laxalt rejoiced that he was “triggering the media,” smarmily insisting the press is attacking anyone who wants “secure” and “fair” elections.

In fact, Laxalt is the one threatening to undermine secure and fair elections. Indeed, as this demonstrates, for Trumpist politicians, the refusal to commit to respecting legitimate election losses is now a badge of honor.........


It is sad that he can win with like 20% of the vote. And he's still claiming it's rigged.
 

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