Where did this attack on Tulsi Gabbard from Hilary come from? (1 Viewer)

[Intensesaint]

US: Clinton hints Gabbard is Russia's Democrat – DW – 10/18/2019

Hillary Clinton has hinted that, of the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, Tulsi Gabbard is "the favorite of the Russians." Gabbard said there has been a "concerted campaign" to destroy her reputation.

www.dw.com

It was good to see Andrew Yang stick up for her at least.

Andrew Yang: 'Tulsi Gabbard deserves much more respect' from Hillary Clinton

Andrew Yang took aim at Hillary Clinton's criticism of fellow presidential contender Tulsi Gabbard, saying she deserves "respect and thanks" as a veteran.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

Pundit Nate is pretty awful, but when he sticks to the numbers game he often makes some compelling arguments and I do have mixed feelings about how her support would tilt.

That said, what she is capable of doing is acting like a pincer movement against the Democratic nominee. As her schtick right now, which is I suspect why most right-wingers love her(much like they fell in love some of the horseshoe lefties during the Mueller investigation), is she spends an exorbitant and outsized amount of time earning her populist "cred" by attacking her own party.

And what the Trump campaign(and the Russians) had success with in terms of their guerrilla campaign's in 2016 toward the left was not by taking the classical approach and directly defending Trump or promoting conservative policies, but by pitting the Democratic voters against one another in underhanded manners. Like well-veiled social media videos masquerading as viral videos of truth contrasting Hillary and the Crime bill targetted at African American slices of digital media circles. The goal being to depress enthusiasm and creat inter-party rifts.

What Tulsi can do is act like a live version of that. Take Warren, she will attack her from the right on not being an Islamaphobic hawk, being weak on terror/the border or some nonsense, then play up the Bernie/Warren rift on the left to depress base enthusiasm. The net effect is that it can divide the left while Trump's base remains united, if not activated by her outsized attack on the left as opposed to Trump. Sure, she might pull more Republican voters, but she can still have a net negative effect on Democrats.

true, but no one (dems) took jill stein seriously
heck no one took trump seriously

in fact attacking tulsi's more trumpian positions makes it easier to attack them

 

[Beach Friends]

Pundit Nate is pretty awful, but when he sticks to the numbers game he often makes some compelling arguments and I do have mixed feelings about how her support would tilt.

That said, what she is capable of doing is acting like a pincer movement against the Democratic nominee. As her schtick right now, which is I suspect why most right-wingers love her(much like they fell in love some of the horseshoe lefties during the Mueller investigation), is she spends an exorbitant and outsized amount of time earning her populist "cred" by attacking her own party.

And what the Trump campaign(and the Russians) had success with in terms of their guerrilla campaign's in 2016 toward the left was not by taking the classical approach and directly defending Trump or promoting conservative policies, but by pitting the Democratic voters against one another in underhanded manners. Like well-veiled social media videos masquerading as viral videos of truth contrasting Hillary and the Crime bill targetted at African American slices of digital media circles. The goal being to depress enthusiasm and creat inter-party rifts.

What Tulsi can do is act like a live version of that. Take Warren, she will attack her from the right on not being an Islamaphobic hawk, being weak on terror/the border or some nonsense, then play up the Bernie/Warren rift on the left to depress base enthusiasm. The net effect is that it can divide the left while Trump's base remains united, if not activated by her outsized attack on the left as opposed to Trump. Sure, she might pull more Republican voters, but she can still have a net negative effect on Democrats.

I am not sure any "right wingers" are in love with her. I don't think many would even vote for her.

She does have views on the First Amendment that we respect. She isn't consumed by identity politics, so that makes her stand out from the rest of the field. She is obviously against regime change wars, which is at least for the moment popular with conservatives. And we see that the Democratic establishment is trying to bring her in line and she hasn't folded yet.

But, it's not a high bar to stand out as being reasonable from the rest of field.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

I am not sure any "right wingers" are in love with her. I don't think many would even vote for her.

She does have views on the First Amendment that we respect. She isn't consumed by identity politics, so that makes her stand out from the rest of the field. She is obviously against regime change wars, which is at least for the moment popular with conservatives. And we see that the Democratic establishment is trying to bring her in line and she hasn't folded yet.

But, it's not a high bar to stand out as being reasonable from the rest of field.

So she ignores right-wing identity politics in favor of attacking a caricature of the left’s version, in the process sympathizes with right wing social media culture wars, and signals foreign policy positions the right is receptive to....How is my thesis incorrect again? Other than thinking many wouldn’t vote for her...which I also think. I just think that Nate’s position is not wrong(she’ll get more right winger votes than left, but the overall numbers will be small) but that he’s also likely not fully correct in the broader scope(as her effect would likely be a net negative on prospective Democratic voters because of her ability to drive wedges primarily in their direction).

 

[Beach Friends]

So she ignores right-wing identity politics in favor of attacking a caricature of the left’s version, in the process sympathizes with right wing social media culture wars, and signals foreign policy positions the right is receptive to....How is my thesis incorrect again?

Having watched a good bit of the debates, not to mention CNN'S LGBTQ Town Hall, I don't know how one would create a caricature of the left's version of identity politics. It would be like trying to do a parody of the old sitcom Laverne and Shirley.

I don't know what you mean by sympathizing with right wing social media culture wars.

As far as drawing votes from the right, I just don't see it. Currently, people are just comparing her to the rest of the field and she seems reasonable by comparison.

She may draw some idependents that may have voted for the GOP. But, not many of her fans on the right are really considering voting for her. And those that are will quickly change their minds once they see where she stands on the full range of issues.

She would lose almost all of those with a single commercial pointing out that she:

Supported socialist Bernie Sanders in 2016.

Has an "F" rating by the NRA.

And that's before we get into a discussion on immigration.