What would RUSA and DUSA look like? (1 Viewer)

[CajuninVA]

Optimus Prime's post about Civil War 2 really feels a little too plausible for me to want to think about it. But knowing your destination is important in informing you in if you feel a journey is worth it or not. So, in that vein, I'm asking what do people feel like a Republican USA (RUSA) and Democratic USA (DUSA) would look like if they formed? Is that the wrong form of the question and should it be Conservative USA and Progressive USA? I don't want to get caught up on who gets what geographically. I'm asking about what kind of government would there be? Any guaranteed rights? What role does religion play? Who is and isn't welcome? What kind of economy? How are people educated? How likely is that government to succeed?

And if I think too hard about this, I feel like the above option is much better than what is likely to happen. I fear an attempt to have a population minority government rule the majority. And pretty soon the people who "hate" government overreach are using that exact thing to push their agenda/beliefs on others.

I don't necessarily have an answer to offer on my own question. I feel like the initial thoughts I put down are a bit stereotypical. But then again, I feel like at least for RUSA, stereotypes work because they don't necessarily generate the types of folks that challenge the norms. DUSA on the other hand seems like it could start out Utopian in intent but would have to track back to pragmatism and realism at some point.

 

[Sendai]

47% of California is federal land.

 

[superchuck500]

It is smart to use 2028 for the exit date, because Trump would treat California like Netanyahu treats Gaza. He would view it as another civil war. Maybe he wouldn’t go as far as Netanyahu, but he certainly would be ruthless. I think California should join other Western states, rather than go it alone. I’m not sure if red states would be opposed to them leaving. I just hope they accept immigrants like me. The Northeastern states should join Canada. That would leave a poor US, and most of its brains gone. On the bright side, it would solve the immigration problem for the red states, because few immigrants would want to join what remains.

I just think this whole notion of red states and blue states is functionally fiction. No state is more than about 65% one party and most are closer to even than that. So you’re talking between 1 out of every 3 to 9 out of every 20 being a political minority and losing their voice entirely as a what is now a national political minority with no hope of ever changing - and that becomes a recipe for violent unrest.

I live in a very red state - I don’t support those policies but I damn sure don’t want to move. Is there supposed to be some “great re-settling of America” after these secessions?

I think it’s a bad idea all around.

 

[superchuck500]

47% of California is federal land.

And there’s that - the Fort Sumter problem

 

[Lapaz]

my thinking is similar to this ^
but in hypothetical scenarios I guess:
DUSA would (ideally) be similar to Finland or Norway
RUSA would be... maybe like Iran?

I think RUSA would be much more like Russia. Their elections would be rigged to keep the authoritarian in power. They would make Christianity the state religion. They would control their media. They would ally with other authoritarians. They would be controlled by an aligarchy. They threaten their neighbors. They would make homosexuality a crime. They would have rampant corruption where bribes will become commonplace. They would prosecute political opponents.

 

[Lapaz]

I just think this whole notion of red states and blue states is functionally fiction. No state is more than about 65% one party and most are closer to even than that. So you’re talking between 1 out of every 3 to 9 out of every 20 being a political minority and losing their voice entirely as a what is now a national political minority with no hope of ever changing - and that becomes a recipe for violent unrest.

I live in a very red state - I don’t support those policies but I damn sure don’t want to move. Is there supposed to be some “great re-settling of America” after these secessions?

I think it’s a bad idea all around.

If the president will siphon resources from the blue states, without consideration of their needs, it starts to seem like a better idea.

 

[superchuck500]

If the president will siphon resources from the blue states, without consideration of their needs, it starts to seem like a better idea.

Yeah, fair indeed

 

[SamAndreas]

Just for arguments sake how exactly would that work?

Texas or California gets it on the ballot and the people vote to secede

Now what?

The wheels start moving on a state and federal level to make that happen?

Or would it be like the kids voting for no more vegetables at dinner? The parents aren't going to be like "they took a vote, what can we do?"

Ummm, wasn't it that same simplile logic which set trumpet train's car wheels a-turning???

 

[SamAndreas]

47% of California is federal land.

Yes, I live on a BLM checkerboard, my southern boundary a-joins a square mile of BLM land.

Every other square mile is Federal land.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Guess this can go here
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Indiana has looked at adding 33 counties from Illinois that signaled they want to leave the state - which could lead to whole new maps of the U.S.

Indiana House Republicans have listed embracing the counties from neighboring Illinois as one of their top 2025 legislative session priorities.

House Speaker Todd Huston said Thursday that Republicans are considering the proposal after roughly a third of counties in the Prairie state voted to break away.

If successful, it will drastically alter the map for Illinoisans.

“We just think this is a great opportunity for people that are interested in Illinois that want to secede, but we say, ‘join us.’ Low taxes, low regulatory environment, a ton of economic development already taking place,” Huston told Fox32. “We're kinda raising our hand to say 'hey don't start a 51st state, we'd love to have you in Indiana.’”

In November, the rural counties of Iroquois, Calhoun, Clinton, Green, Jersey, Madison and Perry voted “yes” to whether they should explore “the possibility of separating from Cook County to form a new state and to seek admission to the Union as such.”

Since then, according to Huston, the counties that share the sentiment has risen to 33 in total.

The counties, which are largely in central and southern Illinois, have expressed frustration by the “dominance” of Chicago in Cook County, a Democrat stronghold. The population of Illinois is almost 13 million, and half of them live in Chicago and its metropolitan area.……

Indiana looks to add 33 counties from Illinois that voted to leave the state

Republicans are considering the proposal after roughly a third of counties in the Prairie state voted to break away

www.independent.co.uk

 

[SamAndreas]

Guess this can go here
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Indiana has looked at adding 33 counties from Illinois that signaled they want to leave the state - which could lead to whole new maps of the U.S.

Indiana House Republicans have listed embracing the counties from neighboring Illinois as one of their top 2025 legislative session priorities.

House Speaker Todd Huston said Thursday that Republicans are considering the proposal after roughly a third of counties in the Prairie state voted to break away.

If successful, it will drastically alter the map for Illinoisans.

“We just think this is a great opportunity for people that are interested in Illinois that want to secede, but we say, ‘join us.’ Low taxes, low regulatory environment, a ton of economic development already taking place,” Huston told Fox32. “We're kinda raising our hand to say 'hey don't start a 51st state, we'd love to have you in Indiana.’”

In November, the rural counties of Iroquois, Calhoun, Clinton, Green, Jersey, Madison and Perry voted “yes” to whether they should explore “the possibility of separating from Cook County to form a new state and to seek admission to the Union as such.”

Since then, according to Huston, the counties that share the sentiment has risen to 33 in total.

The counties, which are largely in central and southern Illinois, have expressed frustration by the “dominance” of Chicago in Cook County, a Democrat stronghold. The population of Illinois is almost 13 million, and half of them live in Chicago and its metropolitan area.……

Indiana looks to add 33 counties from Illinois that voted to leave the state

Republicans are considering the proposal after roughly a third of counties in the Prairie state voted to break away

www.independent.co.uk

It sounds like they're about to take up silver sand casting and pottery as a hobby. That would be a good development.

I found it to be a good distraction from the run of the mill way of life back in 1979. What worked for me in 1979 probably would work for the entire state of lIllinoisans now.



Do you think they are going to take up making pottery?

That is possible, they do have some nice clay deposits in Cook County. However they would have to drop that frustration dominance stance to develop that natural resources.