What happens to the Republican Party now? (3 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Yes there were forced injections. From "softer" methods like passports (That is disgusting enough though) etc to prison in for example Austria.

Medicine is probably always experimental. More or less. These shots seem to lead to a weaker immune system. It has happened before. That´s why i believe there will be nazi trials. Tens of millions of angry people who demand it or else...

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Even if it would have been completely free which it was not, sick people will realize that it was an experimental drug with no long term safety studies. There is no way they will not hold politicians responsible when their immune system are compromised.

So dems go to zero because it´s Bidens vaxx now. But it does not mean more republican politics and more for the rich. Quite the opposite.

Hitler had Jewish people killed. Hitler was an evil monster.
Nazis and Hitler were evil in the 1940s.
What does that have to do with vaccines?
What is wrong with you?

 

[nj73]

Hitler had Jewish people killed. Hitler was an evil monster.
Nazis and Hitler were evil in the 1940s.
What does that have to do with vaccines?
What is wrong with you?

Yes it is evil to force people into camps like in Australia. Or force them to take experimental drugs like Mengele. It is so weird that some people can not see this.

Me: "Look here i have a ball and it is round."
They: "No it´s not you idiot"

I don´t think people will agree with you if they get sick. And it does look like this experimental drug result in a weaker immune system. ADE or what you want to call it. Have seen some studies, data and blood tests etc.

 

[SFIDC3]

A public announcement.
I will not be responding to cuddlemonkey.
Any time this individual quotes me or addresses me in any way I will simply ignore this poster.

Ok, back to no cookie again....

Help everyone.
What does the term "Nazi" and the term "Trials" have to do with people voluntarily opting to get vaccinated so they could travel abroad? Our contemporary time period this guy is ranting about does not seem to have anything to do with "Nazi Trials". I can't even begin to grasp his lunacy.

Welcome to today's Republican party.....hope you realize what you are dealing with, if you don't then probably not going to change that river in Egypt....

 

[MT15]

Hitler had Jewish people killed. Hitler was an evil monster.
Nazis and Hitler were evil in the 1940s.
What does that have to do with vaccines?
What is wrong with you?

I think he is in sway to at least some of the QAnon stuff. Vaccines got taken up and intertwined in their fantasies about mass executions of the “elite”.

It’s basically a cult, but carried out over the internet. The R party is actually encouraging them, because they fall almost entirely into Trump’s base.

I believe this is why the Rs have focused on misrepresenting Judge Jackson’s sentencing record on people who possess child pornography. Child porn and other deviant behavior is part of their fantasy as well. The “elite” are all guilty and that is part of the reason for the mass executions.

Of course, Trump, who actually palled around with a sexual predator of children and has been accused of it himself, is their champion who is going to solve all the problems the world over and unite the world under his authoritarian rule. After the mass executions. You really cannot make sense of it. Just know these people are dangerous, prone to violence, and we already saw a taste of it on Jan. 6. Large percentage of Q believers there that day.

 

[nj73]

I think he is in sway to at least some of the QAnon stuff. Vaccines got taken up and intertwined in their fantasies about mass executions of the “elite”.

It’s basically a cult, but carried out over the internet. The R party is actually encouraging them, because they fall almost entirely into Trump’s base.

I believe this is why the Rs have focused on misrepresenting Judge Jackson’s sentencing record on people who possess child pornography. Child porn and other deviant behavior is part of their fantasy as well. The “elite” are all guilty and that is part of the reason for the mass executions.

Of course, Trump, who actually palled around with a sexual predator of children and has been accused of it himself, is their champion who is going to solve all the problems the world over and unite the world under his authoritarian rule. After the mass executions. You really cannot make sense of it. Just know these people are dangerous, prone to violence, and we already saw a taste of it on Jan. 6. Large percentage of Q believers there that day.

For not being a conspiracy theorist you seem to be very suspicious.

 

[MT15]

For not being a conspiracy theorist you seem to be very suspicious.

You are saying some of the things that QAnon believers do. If you come on here and say crazy things about the vaccines without ever bothering to prove any of it, and talk about “Nuremburg” trials, yeah, you’re going to get the label.

I’m not alleging a conspiracy. I’m saying you believe in one of the craziest ones, though.

 

[nj73]

You are saying some of the things that QAnon believers do. If you come on here and say crazy things about the vaccines without ever bothering to prove any of it, and talk about “Nuremburg” trials, yeah, you’re going to get the label.

I’m not alleging a conspiracy. I’m saying you believe in one of the craziest ones, though.

It´s nothing new that drugs have side effects and this drug is not tested enough. It is that simple. Accident or done on purpose i guess is up to the courts to decide.
Can link to the studies and tests if you want but i don´t think it matters.

 

[MT15]

It´s nothing new that drugs have side effects and this drug is not tested enough. It is that simple. Accident or done on purpose i guess is up to the courts to decide.

What courts? This vaccine has been tested thoroughly, whether you believe it or not. It’s very effective and has saves countless lives. You’re misinformed.

 

[nj73]

What courts? This vaccine has been tested thoroughly, whether you believe it or not. It’s very effective and has saves countless lives. You’re misinformed.

No long term safety studies. If millions of people get sick from a compromised immune system they, their families and friends will demand justice.

 

[MT15]

No long term safety studies. If millions of people get sick from a compromised immune system they, their families and friends will demand justice.

Vaccines do not stay in your body. They’re gone in about 3 weeks, IIRC. It’s not a drug that you keep taking. What is your source?

 

[nj73]

Vaccines do not stay in your body. They’re gone in about 3 weeks, IIRC. It’s not a drug that you keep taking. What is your source?

This is one study from Mount Sinai hospital.
It means some antibodies generated from the vaccine may enhance infections instead. ADE. How long they stay there i have no idea about.

Of course such studies should have been done before they injected billions of people.

The plasmablast response to SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination is dominated by non-neutralizing antibodies and targets both the NTD and the RBD

In this study we profiled vaccine-induced polyclonal antibodies as well as plasmablast derived mAbs from individuals who received SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA vaccine. Polyclonal antibody responses in vaccinees were robust and comparable to or exceeded those seen after natural infection. However, the...

www.medrxiv.org

 

[MT15]

I don’t see where that abstract says that - it says the opposite, as I read it. It is saying that the antibodies produced by the vaccine will show activity against other corona viruses.

nj73 - I think I found the entire paper. It doesn’t say anywhere that the immune system is damaged by the virus. It does say that of the four other common human corona viruses they looked at, the vaccine supplies some antibodies that will target two of them. So it’s an added bonus to getting the vaccine.

SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination induces functionally diverse antibodies to NTD, RBD, and S2

In this study we profiled vaccine-induced polyclonal antibodies as well as plasmablast-derived mAbs from individuals who received SARS-CoV-2 spike mRN…

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[nj73]

I don’t see where that abstract says that - it says the opposite, as I read it. It is saying that the antibodies produced by the vaccine will show activity against other corona viruses.

nj73 - I think I found the entire paper. It doesn’t say anywhere that the immune system is damaged by the virus. It does say that of the four other common human corona viruses they looked at, the vaccine supplies some antibodies that will target two of them. So it’s an added bonus to getting the vaccine.

SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination induces functionally diverse antibodies to NTD, RBD, and S2

In this study we profiled vaccine-induced polyclonal antibodies as well as plasmablast-derived mAbs from individuals who received SARS-CoV-2 spike mRN…

www.sciencedirect.com

It says: "However, the ratio of binding to neutralizing antibodies after vaccination was greater than that after natural infection and, at the monoclonal level, we found that the majority of vaccine-induced antibodies did not have neutralizing activity"

And this: "COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern"

Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID‐19 vaccines worsening clinical disease

Patient comprehension is a critical part of meeting medical ethics standards of informed consent in study designs. The aim of the study was to determine if sufficient literature exists to require clinicians to disclose the specific risk that COVID‐19 ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Oh nice... mocked up Star of David avatar equating vaccination to the Holocaust. Do mods still hang around this forum? I feel stuff like this belongs on TigerDroppings...

 

[MT15]

“It says: "However, the ratio of binding to neutralizing antibodies after vaccination was greater than that after natural infection and, at the monoclonal level, we found that the majority of vaccine-induced antibodies did not have neutralizing activity"

If you read the link with the entire paper, they do not know the actual significance of neutralizing versus binding antibodies. They do admit that non-neutralizing antibodies do confer immunity in some cases.

So nothing in that first paper supports what you said, at all.

 

[MT15]

It says: "However, the ratio of binding to neutralizing antibodies after vaccination was greater than that after natural infection and, at the monoclonal level, we found that the majority of vaccine-induced antibodies did not have neutralizing activity"

And this: "COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern"

Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID‐19 vaccines worsening clinical disease

Patient comprehension is a critical part of meeting medical ethics standards of informed consent in study designs. The aim of the study was to determine if sufficient literature exists to require clinicians to disclose the specific risk that COVID‐19 ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You are misreading your second paper. This paper was written about a theoretical risk of the mRNA vaccines, and is discussing whether the informed consent paperwork for the clinical trials which were done before the vaccines were released included this theoretical risk. It had nothing to do with any clinical results - at all. It is discussing the proper way to word informed consent paperwork and reviewing whether the drug companies got that wording right.

In fact, it says this:

“Current data on COVID‐19 vaccines is limited, but does not so far reveal evidence of ADE of disease. Non‐human primate studies of Moderna's mRNA‐1273 vaccine showed excellent protection, with no detectable immunopathology. 13 Phase 1 trials of several vaccines have not reported any immunopathology in subjects administered the candidate vaccines.”

What that means is there is ZERO evidence of the theoretical risk actually bearing out. And this was published over a year ago. Which is why they say the data is limited. It’s not as limited today, and still no evidence of this theory.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

This is one study from Mount Sinai hospital.
It means some antibodies generated from the vaccine may enhance infections instead. ADE. How long they stay there i have no idea about.

Of course such studies should have been done before they injected billions of people.

The plasmablast response to SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination is dominated by non-neutralizing antibodies and targets both the NTD and the RBD

In this study we profiled vaccine-induced polyclonal antibodies as well as plasmablast derived mAbs from individuals who received SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA vaccine. Polyclonal antibody responses in vaccinees were robust and comparable to or exceeded those seen after natural infection. However, the...

www.medrxiv.org

Come on man.