Twitter swings the ban hammer at Project Veritas (1 Viewer)

[nolaspe]

Twitter suspends Project Veritas account

The move against the conservative activist organization comes amid a broader crackdown by the social media giant on those promoting misinformation.

www.politico.com

Project Veritas has been known to use deceptive practices and spread misinformation in attempts to expose what it views as “corruption, dishonesty, self-dealing, waste, fraud, and other misconduct” from liberal organizations or individuals. In September, Stanford University and University of Washington researchers wrote that a Project Veritas video alleging voter fraud with unidentified sources was what a “a domestic, coordinated elite disinformation campaign looks like in the United States.”

 

[Rawlings]

Do you believe that the "wisdom of the American conservative (classical liberal)" is representative of the people you named who you believe have been canceled?

For the most part, yes, although I didn't say they had been cancelled as such. But It's the cancel culture of mindless leftyism behind the demonetization of their channels and/or the blocking of many of their videos.

 

[Dragon]

Well then lets go further back and expand this conversation or this thread's scope further then just what happened here in the US politically with "Cancel Culture".

Prohibition, at least in its legal beginnings and when the movement was getting close to being passed in 1919, was nearly universally supported by politicians on both sides of the aisle, even by far-left groups like the Wobblies. So this nation's biggest anti-drinking law or at least one that prohibited the making and distribution of commercialized liquor had unanimous bipartisan support.

Keep in mind, of course, what has been defined or come to represent modern liberalism in 21st century or even left-wing politics or platforms today was very different then what's been termed the "Old Left", " New Left" emerged mostly after WWII largely influenced by the Frankfurt School and focused more on social issues like South African Apartheid, segregation in the United States, the Free Speech Movement at Berkley UC, later the anti-Vietnam War movement. Issues "Old Left" early 20th century Trotskyists, Bolsheviks, or other Western leftist party pre-WWII mostly ignored or felt were irrevalent.

The Soviet Union and its Eastern European Warsaw Bloc socialist aligned countries also banned books from schools and libraries, including the Bible and Orwell's Animal Farm and 1984, as well as jailed supposed "dissidents" if they were caught with, possessed, or distributed "seditious" "counter-revolutionary" or "revisionists" books, pamphlets, even in some Cold War-era Communist countries, rock music or certain bands were outlawed officially by the state.
These countries regimes weren't exactly far-right or conservative in terms of their political atlas.

You mentioned the Red Scare. I'll bring up Stalin's infamous late 1930's, Moscow "Show Trials" where tortured, beaten, intimidated loyal Communists, innocent BTW, enthusiastically affirmed their guilt for crimes and subversion against the state and international Communist movement, as well as purging skilled, capable Red Army officers and generals just to pacify Stalin's increasing meglamania and paranoia because he wanted to decimate the one institution during his period of rule that could legimately overthrow him: The Red Army. Then there's Mao's "Cultural Revolution", from 1966-76, which saw intellectuals, government officials, teachers, workers, factory managers denounced as " revisionists", or "capitalist roaders", people were paraded around in the streets with dunce caps on their heads jeered, mocked and ridiculed by whipped up mobs. Moaist China by the early 1970's became an intellectual, cultural and political wasteland.

That only works because you consider Stalins USSR a socialist/leftist society. While It may have been so in name it was actually a totalitarian regime and had more in common with Hitlers Germany than with the social democracies in Europe - so to use that as an example of "leftist" cancel culture is really not fitting. It is an example of how a totalitarian regime - ´whatever they happen to call themselves, try to obliverate anything that goes against its interests...

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Anyone with a modicum of sense -- regardless of their political persuasion -- should know the ironically named 'Project Veritas' was, at best, low hanging fruit for those predisposed to ignore reality in pursuit of an agenda. And, yes, there are left-leaning sites cut from a similar cloth. The internet is better without both.

 

[Rawlings]

You're alleging this America-hating darling of the political left and corporate establishment was cancelled . . . all the way to the bank, eh?

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

America-hating

Can you elaborate on this?

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

You're alleging this America-hating darling of the political left and corporate establishment was cancelled . . . all the way to the bank, eh?

I think he's alleging that Trump and the right have been trying to cancel people and ideas for a really long time and have only recently started whining about it.

 

[V Chip]

Prohibition...

The Soviet Union and its Eastern European Warsaw Bloc

You mentioned the Red Scare. I'll bring up Stalin's

You bring up one (albeit large) case of anti-drinking as bipartisan example. I can show you hundreds and hundreds of conservative counties that are/were dry counties. I can show you thousands of Blue Laws in conservative locations. You are verbose but you tend to obfuscate the point when you reply. I mean the whole second paragraph... I don’t even know what that was about.

Trying to pass off the Soviet Union’s or China’s government as “leftist” instead of “authoritarian” is baffling. The fact that they targeted intellectuals and free-thinkers should show that it had nothing to do with left/right and all to do with keeping power.

 

[Rawlings]

So, then I guess I'm confused about what your point is. If you don't object to a private company deciding they don't want an individual to use them to make money - which is what Youtube, Twitter, etc are doing, then I don't see your complaint. Please be more specific... saying "I'm concerned" without an actual recommendation of an alternative is pretty vague.



I'm not sure how closely you followed Molyneaux, but that's been his schtick for at least the past 6 years. His basic premise is that different races are actually sub-species, and that black people do poorly is because their genetics make them intellectually inferior.

He does similar things with women. It's been his MO for at least the 6 years I've heard about him.

This is why we asked you for specifics. Because the facts don't seem to match your presentation. It would be helpful for me for you to present the case of someone who was cancelled, and we can walk through the case study.



I think most people agree that anything can be taken too far, but usually when we get to specifics, it does not live up to the doom and gloom being hyped. As it is, I suggest conservatives start to become bigger fans of the ACLU -- this is kind of their jam, and they've been fighting against cancel culture for decades.

The ACLU has never been a friend to religious/academic liberty and, in any event, has thrown in the towel and joined the cancel culture movement. I'll pass.

As for Molyneaux, I never followed him as such at all. As I said in the above, his atheist apologetics are puerile. Alex O'Connor is a much more interesting and honest broker in that wise. One can at least sink one's teeth into his stuff. Also, it was held by many whose content is much more interesting that Molyneaux was drifting toward the alt-right. Yawn I just knew that he was accused of racism based on his observation regarding the state of the American education system early in his Youtube career and that he was recently deplatformed.

The real problem goes to the dumbing down of American cultural via the public education system. As a classical liberal, I regard unfettered speech to be sacrosanct, but as long as the political establishment continues to institutionally collectivise academics, the Republic is lost.

 

[Rawlings]

Can you elaborate on this?

I'm not in the habit of elaborating on the Marxist lunacy that America is irredeemably racist. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

 

[DaveXA]

I'm not in the habit of elaborating on the Marxist lunacy that America is irredeemably racist. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

So...you're saying the guy in the picture is a Marxist loony who thinks America is irredeemably racist, and is an America hater? You'll have to be the one to explain why you think that's the case.

 

[Rawlings]

I think he's alleging that Trump and the right have been trying to cancel people and ideas for a really long time and have only recently started whining about it.

Actually, I was lampooning the obvious leftist lunacy regarding the supposed systemic racism in America.

 

[DaveXA]

Actually, I was lampooning the obvious leftist lunacy regarding the supposed systematic racism in America.

So, apparently you don't think there's any systemic racism in America? If not...I'm not sure much of a discussion can be had on the subject.

 

[Rawlings]

So, apparently you don't think there's any systemic racism in America? If not...I'm not sure much of a discussion can be had on the subject.

Well, there is the systemic racism of affirmative action in many states.

 

[Xeno]

Well, there is the systemic racism of affirmative action in many states.

We can all officially stop taking this guy seriously.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I'm not in the habit of elaborating on the Marxist lunacy that America is irredeemably racist. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

What does believing America has deep-seated racial issues have to do with Marxism?

 

[Rawlings]

So...you're saying the guy in the picture is a Marxist loony who thinks America is irredeemably racist, and is an America hater? You'll have to be the one to explain why you think that's the case.

He and his fellow America-hating Marxists have said as much. Their stuff is a collection of racist slogan-speak. Why should I elaborate on their shtick? They're profiting on this divisive rubbish just fine without my help and at the expense of any constructive solutions to what really ails the inner-city black communities of the Democratic plantation system.

 

[Rawlings]

What does believing America has deep-seated racial issues have to do with Marxism?

The only deep-seated racial problems we have in this country are those continuously exacerbated by leftists.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

He and his fellow America-hating Marxists have said as much. Their stuff is a collection of racist slogan-speak. Why should I elaborate on their shtick? They're profiting on this divisive rubbish just fine without my help and at the expense of any constructive solutions to what really ails the inner-city black communities of the Democratic plantation system.

Is there something beyond kneeling for the National Anthem I'm missing?