Tucker Carlson's head writer Neff, resigns over discovery of racist posts using pseudonym (1 Viewer)

[wardorican]

Tucker Carlson’s top writer resigns after secretly posting racist and sexist remarks in online forum | CNN Business

Editor’s note: This article quotes racist, homophobic and sexist language, much of which has not been censored.

www.cnn.com

It is a long read, due to them adding specifics at the end of the article.

It isn't that surprising to many of us who have heard the various dog whistles from Tucker for years, and some of the overt stuff that has made him lose sponsors. Nice to see it right out in the open though, even if under a pseudonym.

The guy is a total INCEL. When you read the story, you'll see it. Wow.

That level of repression, being channelled into a media opinion show is damaging. Tucker may not have know about the posts, but there is no way he didn't know about those kind of thoughts and feelings from this guy. It is his head writer. They probably talk with each other more than anyone.

 

[Farb]

I still don't understand your definition. You offered one, I asked a follow up, and there was no response. I don't know how else to conduct a conversation.

I think it's a dumb, amorphous, meaningless term. And this thread isn't clarifying anything to turn it into something specific, defineable, and conversationally constructive. It's about victimization every time it comes up.

The case with the kid and the racist term is stupid.

The girl who got sent to a juvenile detention center for not doing her online homework is stupid.

But I don't see how we need the term 'cancel culture' to discuss them.

To answer your question, I don't think the case with the kid getting arrested is cancel culture. I think that is the end result of cancel culture. The dreaded "hate speech' delima that seems to be really embraced by the radical left and is barreling at the American people like an out of control train. Sticks and stones and all of that.

I also didn't start this thread. I just asked a question if some out there on this board considered Tucker's best buddy getting canned is cancel culture. I do think that is cancel culture. There is a lot of time and money spent (on both side) trying to cancel voices, opinions that people don't like silenced, canceled.
Do you think Neff was the original target or do you think this was aimed at Tucker Carlson? Maybe to get Tucker thrown off the air, or call his sponsors and ask if they also support this creeps opinions? The title of this thread is all you should need to answer that question.

If you have a problem with the term cancel culture, then you will need to take it up with the radical left, because they are the ones that coined the term I think:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/cancel-culture-words-were-watching#:~:text=The term has been credited,calls to cancel such figures.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Really, that is how you rank those two in levels of disturbing? A 12 year old is arrested for racist remarks to a grown man who plays professional sports on the internet? Seems a bit radical to be honest.

Racism is a learned behavior either at home or from the people they are around. So yeah, I find it more disturbing that the child learned racist behavior that was not checked or corrected by his parents more disturbing than the fact that his learned behavior led to his arrest. If he had been taught that it was acceptable to murder someone and then went out and murdered someone, while the act of murder is heinous in and of itself, the fact that a child is taught that it is acceptable is even more heinous IMO.

 

[Farb]

Racism is a learned behavior either at home or from the people they are around. So yeah, I find it more disturbing that the child learned racist behavior that was not checked or corrected by his parents more disturbing than the fact that his learned behavior led to his arrest. If he had been taught that it was acceptable to murder someone and then went out and murdered someone, while the act of murder is heinous in and of itself, the fact that a child is taught that it is acceptable is even more heinous IMO.

Fair enough. That is your belief.
My personal belief is calling people words is not in any way in the same universe as murdering someone.
But I agree 100% about your underlying point of self accountability. There is a lot of that lacking in the real world today.

 

[MT15]

Fair enough. That is your belief.
My personal belief is calling people words is not in any way in the same universe as murdering someone.
But I agree 100% about your underlying point of self accountability. There is a lot of that lacking in the real world today.

So, there seems to be some inconsistencies in your views, if I am reading them right. So you said Neff got canned, but he resigned. Maybe he was asked to resign, but I didn’t see that reported anywhere.

Nobody made him express himself in the way he chose to on that message board. It was known to most everyone on the board who he was, he wasn’t even concealing it. Now that his employer knows what he posted, they have accepted his resignation. Where is his self-accountability? Does he have any?

 

[wardorican]

Maybe the better question is: is speech violence?

I mean, if you threaten someone, it can be assault. (it needs some specifics, that I doubt he met).

However, I wasn't trying to be cute with my question, I was trying to focus on the point of all this. The guy is a writer for a News Opinion show, on a arguably respectable news organization that has some level of Ethics and standards. He got busted posting some real vile stuff, there is no way he's keeping his job. If this was Tucker, he'd be gone too.

Jemele Hill got in trouble for voicing her opinion on social situations, and she's a 'lowly' sports reporter.

I thought the whole argument against 'cancel culture' is that it is an unfair mob justice to remove folks. So, that's why I asked, if the removal was justified. Do you think he should have been fired for all of the postings they discovered? It's a yes or no. Based on that, then we can discuss if it's cancel culture or just a pretty normal/standard response to the situation.

i.e. a politician caught taking bribes or stealing state pensions, usually faces pressure to resign, if not also face criminal charges. Is that cancel culture? No. It's the normal and expected reaction to malfeasance.

 

[Ayo]

I don’t care who coined the term. Still useless and dumb, imo.

I don’t have a party allegiance.

I asked for a Definition. You said someone got fired. And you continue posting examples that aren’t about being fired. In fact, the one example that you actually can use, Neff, you turn around and say it actually fits Carlson better.

Like I said, I’m genuinely struggling with your definition. Still.

 

[Saintamaniac]

My personal belief is calling people words is not in any way in the same universe as murdering someone.

So to you teaching a child to murder is not in the same universe as a child doing what they were taught to do. I understand that is how you see it. I see it differently. As I stated, while the child committing the act of a learned behavior is heinous, I find that teaching a child to commit that act or allowing the child to believe that it is acceptable to commit said act is as heinous if not more so for the simple reason of corrupting and stealing a child's innocence.

I used murder as an extreme example to illustrate my point but to take it back to racism, I find it more heinous that an adult would teach a child racism than I do for a child doing the thing that they were taught is acceptable. Racism is a learned behavior. Someone taught that child it was okay to be racist or do racist activities. The child paid the price of incarceration for something that they learned from an adult. The person they learned from was not arrested, the child was.....for something that someone taught them was okay for them to do.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Really, that is how you rank those two in levels of disturbing? A 12 year old is arrested for racist remarks to a grown man who plays professional sports on the internet? Seems a bit radical to be honest.

Except it wasn't just someone using slurs. There were threats. That changes things, does it not?

The messages contained a racist threat that Zaha "better not score" or the sender would show up at his house "dressed as a ghost," called him a "black c---," and also included photos of the Ku Klux Klan and a racist depiction of blackface with a racial slur.

A Black soccer player tweeted out racist messages he received before a game, including photos of the KKK and threats

Wilfried Zaha of Crystal Palace released a slew of racist direct messages he received before a game, including threats, slurs, and a photo of the KKK.

www.insider.com

 

[cuddlemonkey]

To answer your question, I don't think the case with the kid getting arrested is cancel culture. I think that is the end result of cancel culture. The dreaded "hate speech' delima that seems to be really embraced by the radical left and is barreling at the American people like an out of control train. Sticks and stones and all of that.

I also didn't start this thread. I just asked a question if some out there on this board considered Tucker's best buddy getting canned is cancel culture. I do think that is cancel culture. There is a lot of time and money spent (on both side) trying to cancel voices, opinions that people don't like silenced, canceled.
Do you think Neff was the original target or do you think this was aimed at Tucker Carlson? Maybe to get Tucker thrown off the air, or call his sponsors and ask if they also support this creeps opinions? The title of this thread is all you should need to answer that question.

If you have a problem with the term cancel culture, then you will need to take it up with the radical left, because they are the ones that coined the term I think:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/cancel-culture-words-were-watching#:~:text=The term has been credited,calls to cancel such figures.

Pretty sure nobody on this board knew who Blake Neff was before this happened. Including his job in the title is beneficial. Do you not think it helpful?

 

[Farb]

I mean, if you threaten someone, it can be assault. (it needs some specifics, that I doubt he met).

However, I wasn't trying to be cute with my question, I was trying to focus on the point of all this. The guy is a writer for a News Opinion show, on a arguably respectable news organization that has some level of Ethics and standards. He got busted posting some real vile stuff, there is no way he's keeping his job. If this was Tucker, he'd be gone too.

Jemele Hill got in trouble for voicing her opinion on social situations, and she's a 'lowly' sports reporter.

I thought the whole argument against 'cancel culture' is that it is an unfair mob justice to remove folks. So, that's why I asked, if the removal was justified. Do you think he should have been fired for all of the postings they discovered? It's a yes or no. Based on that, then we can discuss if it's cancel culture or just a pretty normal/standard response to the situation.

i.e. a politician caught taking bribes or stealing state pensions, usually faces pressure to resign, if not also face criminal charges. Is that cancel culture? No. It's the normal and expected reaction to malfeasance.

I get what you are saying and I think we are talking about the same thing but I will try and answer your question.
I don't know if it was justified. It is up to his employer and they thought the blow back was going to cost them so they asked him to resigned, fired him, forced his resignation, however you want to string words together to make the point that leaving was not his/her decision. I didn't see or read his posting so no idea but generally I personally don't think people should be fired, removed, asked to leave based on things they say but as an employer, I think differently. If you put something out there in the digital world it is yours forever and ever. If it bothers your employer they feel you will hurt their bottom line and they ask you to leave or fire you that on you and only you.

This is a very recent example:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nick-cannon-dropped-viacomcbs-anti-semitic-comments-podcast/

To be fair, I have zero idea who this guy is but reading what he said he is a full on racist. Do I think he should have been fired or let go? I don't personally. He has racist ideas and thoughts. There was no violence called for, just a lot of misguided racism.

I had this employee once, well to be honest he is still an employee that got into some heated discussions on facebook. He was left leaning. One day, I got in the office and had like 15 voicemails (that is a crazy amount for my job). It was all grown men asking me why I employed someone who hated America and American veterans. Then I checked our facebook page and emails and had tons of emails from my website and facebook page asking why my company hated america and so on. This went on for a few days. I had two guys on motorcycles drive in my parking lot making a shirt load of noise for about 2 days. I asked him what this was all about, he apologized and said he had his employer on his facebook page and people got upset with him in the comment sections. To me, that was cancel culture. He had a different opinion and people felt like they needed to lean on his employer to get satisfaction. I asked he take his employer info off his account if he is going to get into debates with people on FB. He did and haven't had a problem with him yet.

Now, my business is a very niche business so those type of people are not my customers but if they were or he pissed off a different group that buys a lot of the product I sell and it had a chance to hurt my bottom line, I would have asked for his resignation, fired, discussed his exit strategy ect.. on the spot. This was about 5 years ago.

To clarify my statement about this applied to Tucker or something. What I was trying to say is that the person who stumbled upon this guys comments and 'outed' him as a racist was not looking to destroy this guy Neff. They were, I assume, trying to find dirt on Tucker and his show in the hopes of getting him removed from TV, or getting his opinion removed from public realm. That is why they are always going after sponsors of the shows they don't like too. Same thing with Joy Reid a while back and her old homophobic tweets. That is cancel culture.

Not sure if that long stumbling thought made it out enough to be understandable. If not, I will try again.

 

[wardorican]

I get what you are saying and I think we are talking about the same thing but I will try and answer your question.
I don't know if it was justified. It is up to his employer and they thought the blow back was going to cost them so they asked him to resigned, fired him, forced his resignation, however you want to string words together to make the point that leaving was not his/her decision. I didn't see or read his posting so no idea but generally I personally don't think people should be fired, removed, asked to leave based on things they say but as an employer, I think differently. If you put something out there in the digital world it is yours forever and ever. If it bothers your employer they feel you will hurt their bottom line and they ask you to leave or fire you that on you and only you.

This is a very recent example:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nick-cannon-dropped-viacomcbs-anti-semitic-comments-podcast/

To be fair, I have zero idea who this guy is but reading what he said he is a full on racist. Do I think he should have been fired or let go? I don't personally. He has racist ideas and thoughts. There was no violence called for, just a lot of misguided racism.

I had this employee once, well to be honest he is still an employee that got into some heated discussions on facebook. He was left leaning. One day, I got in the office and had like 15 voicemails (that is a crazy amount for my job). It was all grown men asking me why I employed someone who hated America and American veterans. Then I checked our facebook page and emails and had tons of emails from my website and facebook page asking why my company hated america and so on. This went on for a few days. I had two guys on motorcycles drive in my parking lot making a shirt load of noise for about 2 days. I asked him what this was all about, he apologized and said he had his employer on his facebook page and people got upset with him in the comment sections. To me, that was cancel culture. He had a different opinion and people felt like they needed to lean on his employer to get satisfaction. I asked he take his employer info off his account if he is going to get into debates with people on FB. He did and haven't had a problem with him yet.

Now, my business is a very niche business so those type of people are not my customers but if they were or he pissed off a different group that buys a lot of the product I sell and it had a chance to hurt my bottom line, I would have asked for his resignation, fired, discussed his exit strategy ect.. on the spot. This was about 5 years ago.

To clarify my statement about this applied to Tucker or something. What I was trying to say is that the person who stumbled upon this guys comments and 'outed' him as a racist was not looking to destroy this guy Neff. They were, I assume, trying to find dirt on Tucker and his show in the hopes of getting him removed from TV, or getting his opinion removed from public realm. That is why they are always going after sponsors of the shows they don't like too. Same thing with Joy Reid a while back and her old homophobic tweets. That is cancel culture.

Not sure if that long stumbling thought made it out enough to be understandable. If not, I will try again.

I'll have to come back to this later, but I wanted to say I really do appreciate you fleshing out your thoughts and engaging in this discussion. Too often, snark wins the day, vs serious thoughtful dialogue.

Overall, I understand what you're saying. And as an employer, you have to weigh the situation, the headache, and the skill set of the employee, just like any private 'people problem'. And, depending on what your employee said, I'd agree that it was likely something taken too far by some nut jobs trying to 'hurt someone' back. I don't like that.

I'd have to go back and read the article about how this all started, but I think they were tipped off. I'd imagine a good number of folks on that site probably would be concerned if they were identified.

But, a bigger point I'd also like to point out (maybe more so later), is that often, I find that 'mob justice' isn't a left or right issue. And too many try to frame 'cancel culture' as a 'leftist' thing. That's not even close to fair. I do understand the concern about what is or isn't offensive. That comment's mostly ok or totally ok today, aren't ok in a decade. I think people need to be less reactive and more understanding. But, that doesn't mean that clear examples of wrong can't be easily noted.

We just argue about what's 'clear'.

 

[MT15]

I post these tweets in effort for the Carlson fans to realize it’s all an act. He’s a performer. I fully realize most wont believe it or won’t care. But you have to try. You either have to try or watch these people divide our country in a fully cynical manner because they are chasing fame or something.

 

[MT15]

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It's almost as though he's making himself out to be a victim because there's something terrible coming out right now...

Lawsuit accuses ex-Fox News reporter Ed Henry of rape, says Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson harassed other woman

The lawsuit comes three weeks after Fox News fired Ed Henry for what the network said was sexual misconduct. The suit names as defendants Fox News, Henry, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Howard Kurtz.

www.cnbc.com

 

[MT15]

Not only that, he suggested the NYT was going to publish his address, contrary to the entire history of that publication, so it's unclear that he was serious about this “threat” to his privacy. Within hours Carlson’s followers had doxxed the reporter who Carlson said was writing the story. Carlson labeled the reporter as an “activist” without showing any proof of this accusation. He painted himself as a victim of “doxxing” prior to it taking place, and accomplished the actual doxxing of a free lance reporter from Maine.

The story is about the town where Carlson lIves. Carlson had raised an objection with the NYT and was told his address would not be published before he went on air that night.

This is some serious manipulative bullcrap.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/21/tucker-carlson-new-york-times/

 

[BobE]

It's almost as though he's making himself out to be a victim because there's something terrible coming out right now...

Lawsuit accuses ex-Fox News reporter Ed Henry of rape, says Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson harassed other woman

The lawsuit comes three weeks after Fox News fired Ed Henry for what the network said was sexual misconduct. The suit names as defendants Fox News, Henry, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Howard Kurtz.

www.cnbc.com

and here is her current twitter headline pic

before the maybe she hasn't had a chance to change it crowd, she was posting just an hour ago.

I think what I will do is give this just as much thought and seriousness as when some one on the left is accused.

 

[BobE]

Not only that, he suggested the NYT was going to publish his address, contrary to the entire history of that publication, so it's unclear that he was serious about this “threat” to his privacy. Within hours Carlson’s followers had doxxed the reporter who Carlson said was writing the story. Carlson labeled the reporter as an “activist” without showing any proof of this accusation. He painted himself as a victim of “doxxing” prior to it taking place, and accomplished the actual doxxing of a free lance reporter from Maine.

The story is about the town where Carlson lIves. Carlson had raised an objection with the NYT and was told his address would not be published before he went on air that night.

This is some serious manipulative bullcrap.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/21/tucker-carlson-new-york-times/

I still remember when some people actually celebrated what happened to Tucker. Some of those people are in this very thread.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

and here is her current twitter headline pic

before the maybe she hasn't had a chance to change it crowd, she was posting just an hour ago.

I think what I will do is give this just as much thought and seriousness as when some one on the left is accused.

I'm so glad we can dismiss these allegations based on her Twitter banner. Case closed.