Trump's inability to restrain himself (Attacks on Greta Thunberg) (1 Viewer)

[coldseat]

I realize the title is inflammatory (to some), but in this instance it's well warranted. His attacks and mocking of Greta Thunberg are disgusting and unacceptable. I know we're just supposed to ignore him because he does this with everybody, but we shouldn't. There is no time and place where we should accept a US President mocking a 16 year old minor. NEVER! For any reason. If you don't have a problem with this, there's a problem with you.

Her activism for climate change and the fact that it irks Trump is irrelevant to how she should be treated, especially publicly by a US President.

This is what Trump represents to the world. This is the face they see when they think of America now, a 70-year old man attacking a 16-year old girl concerned about her future and the future of the planet she lives on. This is one of the main reasons he needs to go.

Trump again mocks teen climate activist Greta Thunberg - CNN Politics

President Donald Trump on Thursday again publicly mocked teen climate crisis activist Greta Thunberg, tweeting that the 16-year-old Swede who has inspired protesters worldwide has "anger management" issues.

www.cnn.com

 

[samiam5211]

I agree and I am anything but PC. I also know what that hat means and it's meant to offend. It's meant to offend me and I'm not the type who will hide behind language and pleasantly take it. The people who wear those hats know it too or they'd be wearing them everywhere. They don't. And they don't because they know it offends people like me who they can't call a snowflake or buck up to if they're called out on it.

Those folks only wear their MAGA gear when they're at safe spaces. And isn't that ironic?

I agree. I was saying a kid in a MAGA hat should be expect people to react. Even if the kid got more than he deserved he was not innocent. He wanted a reaction, he got one.

It goes the other way too. We should all try to control our reactions enough avoid making mistakes because it feels good. We should also not expect everyone else to be successful in that endeavor.

If you go looking for a fight, you should expect one, but usually we should all try to avoid giving them what they are looking for.

 

[dtc]

What would you have said if I painted you red, called you a Falcons fan and demanded you fly away?

You couldn't. Trump did attack a little girl who probably has bigger hands than him. My analogy was reasonable. Your anti-answer was lame.

 

[samiam5211]

I've carefully been respectful of my Catholic brothers and sisters, referring to her as Saint Joan.
Calling her "Joanie" is a deliberate slight and a sign of disrespect. I get that.

The "foggy suggestion" comparing Greta to Saint Joan was made by multiple left-leaning outlets and personalities, not me.

Her handlers have chosen to make her a public figure on an international stage. Her age does not give her a free pass. The audience can hurl rotten tomatoes and cabbage if they so choose.

They can also ride her out of town on a rail, as per old American custom for political speakers they don't like.

Yes, the audience can publicly trash and mock the girl with Aspergers, but should they?

There are many things we can do, but is “Because we can” an acceptable justification or even rationalization?

 

[Beach Friends]

I agree. That's why anyone wearing a MAGA hat in public gets called out on it. I'm more than happy to resolve the discussion civilly via discussion or otherwise. Problem is, every single time I've called someone out on it, they've been some sort of idiot who bellows about free speech and storms off whining about liberals and socialists instead of having the discussion.

It's why you see those hats at rallies, but not at the grocery store. You sure don't see them at public events. Never seen one at a Saints game. Surely haven't seen one walking in the bar after work. Might see one in a pick up truck, but those same guys don't wear them out walking around. Can't even think of the last time I saw one out in public. But when Trump comes to town, they're all wearing them .

Oh, and on facebook. Facebook makes snowflakes tougher than Marcus Colston.

I don't own one, but that's mainly because I am not a hat guy since I still have all my hair. I would borrow one and sit down at the bar and discuss it with you though. I will buy the first round. Whatcha drinking? Don't say Louis XIII or the like or the deal is off.

 

[Beach Friends]

I agree. I was saying a kid in a MAGA hat should be expect people to react. Even if the kid got more than he deserved he was not innocent. He wanted a reaction, he got one.

It goes the other way too. We should all try to control our reactions enough avoid making mistakes because it feels good. We should also not expect everyone else to be successful in that endeavor.

If you go looking for a fight, you should expect one, but usually we should all try to avoid giving them what they are looking for.

Wearing a MAGA hat is not looking for a fight. If someone assualts someone because of a cap that is completely on them.

 

[MT15]

Our society has grown far too weak when wearing a Make America Great hat is seen as an act of agression.

Jonathan Haidt has done some excellent work studying how we have reached this point, and why it is necessary for parents not to coddle their children so that they learn to be more resilient.

Parents grew overprotective of their children. There are some legitimate reasons for that. The world may be more dangerous, but not to the degree it is perceived. Parents have fewer children, so they have more invested in the ones they have. Anyway, kids have grown up always having an adult to go to resolve disputes.

And then you have the anti bullying movement. Again, there are laudable motives, but the result is that they kids are less likely to learn to resolve disputes. Instead, they learn to go to an adult and plead their case as to why they are victims.

And then, these kids who have been sheltered - go to college and they demand not to be exposed to ideas that they disagree with. In their minds, what they find to be offensive is, in their minds, "violence" to them. An act of agression. Sadly, too many universities indulge this behavior and reward it with such policies as designating "safe spaces."

What we should be doing is teaching people to be resilient and we are doing the opposite.

You make some valid points, but it’s hard to escape the victim mentality when the president claims victimhood over every perceived slight. Leadership matters, and Trump is modeling the wrong sort of behavior.

 

[Dadsdream]

Yes, the audience can publicly trash and mock the girl with Aspergers, but should they?

There are many things we can do, but is “Because we can” an acceptable justification or even rationalization?

Since this isn't a thread a girl with Aspergers, that concludes our discussion here. Thanks!

 

[samiam5211]

Wearing a MAGA hat is not looking for a fight. If someone assualts someone because of a cap that is completely on them.

There are plenty of people out there who think wearing a MAGA hat means you’re looking for a fight. Acknowledging reality is not an endorsement, and denying it isn’t going to protect you from it.

It’s a big country, there are plenty of people who think what those other people think is crazy. You’re not going to change that overnight, so remember that before you throw on your MAGA hat or black lives matter T-Shirt.

 

[BobE]

Wearing a MAGA hat is not looking for a fight. If someone assualts someone because of a cap that is completely on them.

Could you imagine............a MAGA hat and a short skirt....

 

[MT15]

Since this isn't a thread a girl with Aspergers, that concludes our discussion here. Thanks!

What an odd statement. She has said she was diagnosed with Aspergers, but you know her medical condition better than she does?

 

[Beach Friends]

There are plenty of people out there who think wearing a MAGA hat means you’re looking for a fight. Acknowledging reality is not an endorsement, and denying it isn’t going to protect you from it.

It’s a big country, there are plenty of people who think what those other people think is crazy. You’re not going to change that overnight, so remember that before you throw on your MAGA hat or black lives matter T-Shirt.

I get the point. It's akin to wearing a Cowboys jersey to a game in Philadelphia.

I wouldn't let my child do it if my child was a Cowboys fan.

But if my child was an Eagles fan I wouldn't defend my kid for assaulting a jersey wearing Cowboys fan on the grounds that the victim was asking for it.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

If she is a public figure, different standards apply, regardless of her age.
She stepped onto the public stage. Those who put her there knew full-well what that would entail.
Does she deserve public bullying by the leader of the country that she bullied about environmental issues?
That goes with the turf her handlers have chosen for her.
Frankly, I totally ignored everything she did or said.
I've got grandchildren older than her and don't allow them to tell me what to think or do.

Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen from Full House have been public figures since the age of 1. Would it have been right by any standard if Regan, upset by the first season of their show, loudly shamed and mocked them in public to be seen by anyone that wanted to be a witness? Is that defensible in any way?

 

[Dadsdream]

Sweden's GNP is less than that of North Carolina.

What an odd statement. She has said she was diagnosed with Aspergers, but you know her medical condition better than she does?

How odd that a teenage girl with a medical condition from a country with a GNP less than that of North Carolina should suddenly become the spokesperson for an international movement.

Whomever decided to put her on the world stage will have to bear the consequences of whatever becomes of her in the future.

Political wunderkinds of this type normally get cast aside as they age and develop their own opinions which are at odds with the movement that set them on the publicity treadmill.

Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen from Full House have been public figures since the age of 1. Would it have been right by any standard if Regan, upset by the first season of their show, loudly shamed and mocked them in public to be seen by anyone that wanted to be a witness? Is that defensible in any way?

Greta is subject to the public figure standards for journalists and the laws that apply.
I assume you're referring to President Ronald Reagan. Misspelling that particular name could erode your credibility with your audience.

 

[samiam5211]

Sweden's GNP is less than that of North Carolina.


How odd that a teenage girl with a medical condition from a country with a GNP less than that of North Carolina should suddenly become the spokesperson for an international movement.

Whomever decided to put her on the world stage will have to bear the consequences of whatever becomes of her in the future.

Political wunderkinds of this type normally get cast aside as they age and develop their own opinions which are at odds with the movement that set them on the publicity treadmill.


Greta is subject to the public figure standards for journalists and the laws that apply.
I assume you're referring to President Ronald Reagan. Misspelling that particular name could erode your credibility with your audience.

Do you think people should be applauded, ignored, or chastised for mocking her given everything that you know about the situation?

I realize that I have constructed three apparently arbitrary options from your point of view, it would be great if you just pick which one of the three most closely represents your thinking, or even explain why what you think doesn’t fit any of them.

This thread is about the president of the United States, who acts on our behalf, mocking a 16 year old girl with Aspergers.

It seems like you are trying to rationalize dispariging her, which to me would show that you feel mocking a 16 year old girl with Asperger’s syndrome an appropriate use of the authority you’ve granted to the executive branch of our Republic.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Sweden's GNP is less than that of North Carolina.


How odd that a teenage girl with a medical condition from a country with a GNP less than that of North Carolina should suddenly become the spokesperson for an international movement.

Whomever decided to put her on the world stage will have to bear the consequences of whatever becomes of her in the future.

Political wunderkinds of this type normally get cast aside as they age and develop their own opinions which are at odds with the movement that set them on the publicity treadmill.


Greta is subject to the public figure standards for journalists and the laws that apply.
I assume you're referring to President Ronald Reagan. Misspelling that particular name could erode your credibility with your audience.

I apologize for the typo that I did not catch at the time, though it is clear that I got my point across just fine.

I only wish that you would address the points being made. I asked a question in order to further our dialog, and you refused to answer it. I will ask you again and hope for an actual response.

Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen from Full House have been public figures since the age of 1. Would it have been right by any standard if then-US President Ronald Wilson Reagan, upset by the first season of their show, loudly shamed and mocked them in public to be seen by anyone that wanted to be a witness? Is that defensible in any way?

 

[SystemShock]

You are correct. Thanks for making my point for me.

What point of yours did I make?

 

[Beach Friends]

What point of yours did I make?

You both think that anyone who was mad about the Baron comment but see no problem with Trump's comments must be stupid or a hypocrite, but most likely both.

 

[SystemShock]

You both think that anyone who was mad about the Baron comment but see no problem with Trump's comments must be stupid or a hypocrite, but most likely both.

That was his point?

Well, again, both of you are wrong.