Trump tries to end birthright citizenship with an executive order

[superchuck500]

I think this deserves its own thread. Perhaps we can try to migrate discussion from the other thread to this one.

Here is the Executive Order:

Protecting The Meaning And Value Of American Citizenship

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1.

www.whitehouse.gov

The order presents itself on existing good-ground to exclude children of unlawful immigrants, but that's false - the term "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" does not have an ambiguous history.

Twenty-two states and others filed immediate lawsuits to suspend and ultimately rescind the order.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/lawsuits-challenge-trumps-birthright-citizenship-other-orders-2025-01-21/

 

[superchuck500]

If you want to follow it, ScotusBlog has a live-chat with commentary from the hearing.

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[faceman]

If you want to follow it, ScotusBlog has a live-chat with commentary from the hearing.

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It's a new world,but the same constitution - John Roberts.

as expected Alito and Thomas hinting they will side with the administration

 

[efil4]

Looks like Admin focusing on "domicile"

 

[efil4]

Interesting point being discussed- is this actionable BACK to 1898? Meaning the Govt will then have to review EVERY SINGLE person for citizenship/immigration records.

I was born in 1971- prior to my parents being "naturalized" ( they got in like 1974 ) my sister born in 1975- so she good and im out? ? lol.

Cool. give me every red cent of taxes ive paid since working age, with interest, and ill gladly move on.

LOL.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[efil4]

It's a new world,but the same constitution - John Roberts.

as expected Alito and Thomas hinting they will side with the administration

 

[efil4]

 

[MT15]

It's a new world,but the same constitution - John Roberts.

as expected Alito and Thomas hinting they will side with the administration

They should both be impeached.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I also think there's little chance the EO doesn't get struck down... but the fact that it isn't going to be 9-0 is so frustrating. Any ruling that favors the administration on this EO is the definition of an activist judge (IMO).

 

[MT15]

Interesting point being discussed- is this actionable BACK to 1898? Meaning the Govt will then have to review EVERY SINGLE person for citizenship/immigration records.

I was born in 1971- prior to my parents being "naturalized" ( they got in like 1974 ) my sister born in 1975- so she good and im out? ? lol.

Cool. give me every red cent of taxes ive paid since working age, with interest, and ill gladly move on.

LOL.

My dad was naturalized before I was born, would I have to prove that? Or would my mom being born in this country be enough? What if her parents were naturalized? I’m not sure where her parents were born, but certainly my great grandparents weren’t born here. What happens to people that they strip citizenship from? For example, I’m not eligible for citizenship in another country - the pertinent one being Germany in my case. I looked it up. Not eligible. So they are citizens of no country? What then?

It’s incredibly stupid that this is even being debated.

 

[MT15]

Says it better than I can

 

[efil4]

i just closed that real time blog lol. They are thinking the ACLU is losing the argument and that the justices are shifting toward the Admin arguments ( as it was presented "better" )

ugh...

 

[efil4]

i just closed that real time blog lol. They are thinking the ACLU is losing the argument and that the justices are shifting toward the Admin arguments ( as it was presented "better" )

ugh...

Gave me Gameday Board PTSD- play by play folks fandom was UP then DOWN lol

 

[superchuck500]

i just closed that real time blog lol. They are thinking the ACLU is losing the argument and that the justices are shifting toward the Admin arguments ( as it was presented "better" )

ugh...

You always have to take those with a grain of salt. I'm not seeing the same from known legal observers who are posting about it.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[efil4]

You always have to take those with a grain of salt. I'm not seeing the same from known legal observers who are posting about it.

yeah like i said - Gameday Board- its insufferable at times

 

[efil4]

Welp i guess we know where this is headed lol

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Welp i guess we know where this is headed lol

I mean he could always ask Congress to pass a law limiting it along the terms he's outlining. I think in general most people would be fine with not automatically granting citizenship to whoever is born on our soil with no regard to how they got here... but the 14th amendment is pretty clear and there is Congressional legislation backing up that amendment, so both would need to be addressed.

But he doesn't want to do the work and Congress is bad with legislating things these days.