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    The football board had the very useful Daily Trump Tracker thread, which was a good place to briefly discuss the latest ridiculous thing that might have ended 97% of prior Presidential administrations even if it didn't necessarily justify an entire thread devoted to it in 2017-2019 (because of the sheer volume of these things). Since I don't see anything like that here already, I'll add one myself.
     
    That should read “a White House Covid reception” shouldn’t it? I mean for accuracy’s sake?
     
    When POTUS is hurting so bad for support of his failed election fraud claims that he starts retweeting an account using the handle of catturd.



    When you wonder how low he can go, he just keeps digging.
     
    insidejob said:
    When POTUS is hurting so bad for support of his failed election fraud claims that he starts retweeting an account using the handle of catturd.



    When you wonder how low he can go, he just keeps digging.
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    @Catturd
    Evidence of his own insanity doesn't count.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    Agree. We won't know til we get there. And even then we might not know until the very last.

    He has an ability to push insanity and then see it failed, straighten his tie, and carry on like he didn't actually do any of it.
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    oh and lay the blame at the feet of everyone but him.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    Agree. We won't know til we get there. And even then we might not know until the very last.

    He has an ability to push insanity and then see it failed, straighten his tie, and carry on like he didn't actually do any of it.
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    It really is remarkable. I'll never understand his appeal. He exhibits none of the "manly virtues" of traditional conservatism. Nor does he exhibit empathy or any of the other ideals of current progressive virtues. I don't know of any publicly professed ethical or moral system of behaviors that he comes close to emulating.

    I sometimes think that people who support him grew up rooting for Skeletor, or missed the GI Joe "Knowing is half the battle" messages at the end.

    Either I have to accept that they are seeing something completely different than I am, or his lack of virtue is the appeal. He represents a strong urge to throw off all the rules and virtues we've built up as a society, and maybe a lot of people are chafing under it, and his complete lack of regard for them is sort of freeing for them.
     
    His appeal is simply "sticking it to the left". For the last 30 years, the right-wing media has conditioned the Republican base to believe that's all that matters.

    Think about it. What is the Republican plan on climate? The deficit? Healthcare? Infrastructure? Education?

    They literally have 2 positions: cut taxes and support Isreal. That's it. That's their entire party platform.

    Other than that they appeal strictly to stopping the satanic, pedophile, socialist, baby-eating, election stealing evil Dems. Trump is perfect for that because he says the things their base says and thinks what they think. It's things no self-respecting person would ever say.
     
    UncleTrvlingJim said:
    It really is remarkable. I'll never understand his appeal. He exhibits none of the "manly virtues" of traditional conservatism. Nor does he exhibit empathy or any of the other ideals of current progressive virtues. I don't know of any publicly professed ethical or moral system of behaviors that he comes close to emulating.

    I sometimes think that people who support him grew up rooting for Skeletor, or missed the GI Joe "Knowing is half the battle" messages at the end.

    Either I have to accept that they are seeing something completely different than I am, or his lack of virtue is the appeal. He represents a strong urge to throw off all the rules and virtues we've built up as a society, and maybe a lot of people are chafing under it, and his complete lack of regard for them is sort of freeing for them.
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    I think for that core of his base (that's probably about 35% of America), they really fundamentally believe that the American psyche has been wussified over the past few decades with the focus on empathy and inclusion - coupled with a rejection of what they perceive to be the air of superiority carried by the professional class. Whether it's because they feel threatened by growing inclusion of groups that they don't identify with (e.g. gays, non-christians, etc.) or that it conflicts with how they were raised and formed as Americans, Trump flagrantly challenges those empathetic, inclusive views that have become dominant in America. He also has no need for professional class because as an authoritarian (it's how he ran his business and its how he runs his presidency), professionals are only as good as the degree to which they support your views. So he freely shirts on them and challenges the idea that society should defer to their expertise. To the America who feels inferior or at least feels like other Americans perceive them to be inferior, I suspect there might be some real magnetism to a guy with that kind of success cheering them on as the true Americans, and telling the Ph.Ds, MDs, JDs, etc. to go to hell.

    Those things combine for a powerful appeal, and I think they're willing to overlook/disregard the other stuff that doesn't fit.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    I think for that core of his base (that's probably about 35% of America), they really fundamentally believe that the American psyche has been wussified over the past few decades with the focus on empathy and inclusion - coupled with a rejection of what they perceive to be the air of superiority carried by the professional class. Whether it's because they feel threatened by growing inclusion of groups that they don't identify with (e.g. gays, non-christians, etc.) or that it conflicts with how they were raised and formed as Americans, Trump flagrantly challenges those empathetic, inclusive views that have become dominant in America. He also has no need for professional class because as an authoritarian (it's how he ran his business and its how he runs his presidency), professionals are only as good as the degree to which they support your views. So he freely shirts on them and challenges the idea that society should defer to their expertise. To the America who feels inferior or at least feels like other Americans perceive them to be inferior, I suspect there might be some real magnetism to a guy with that kind of success cheering them on as the true Americans, and telling the Ph.Ds, MDs, JDs, etc. to go to hell.

    Those things combine for a powerful appeal, and I think they're willing to overlook/disregard the other stuff that doesn't fit.
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    I agree with all of this. I call it sticking it to the left, but fundamentally it's a belief of a large swath of Americans that in the pursuit of diversity and inclusion they have been left behind in their own country. They don't feel like anyone is listening to them. They have a grievance against "the establishment", which in their mind is the left, and Trump is the agent of that animus.

    It makes them vulnerable to crazy messaging, and a crazy messenger, if it/he is saying what they want to hear.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    I think for that core of his base (that's probably about 35% of America), they really fundamentally believe that the American psyche has been wussified over the past few decades with the focus on empathy and inclusion - coupled with a rejection of what they perceive to be the air of superiority carried by the professional class. Whether it's because they feel threatened by growing inclusion of groups that they don't identify with (e.g. gays, non-christians, etc.) or that it conflicts with how they were raised and formed as Americans, Trump flagrantly challenges those empathetic, inclusive views that have become dominant in America. He also has no need for professional class because as an authoritarian (it's how he ran his business and its how he runs his presidency), professionals are only as good as the degree to which they support your views. So he freely shirts on them and challenges the idea that society should defer to their expertise. To the America who feels inferior or at least feels like other Americans perceive them to be inferior, I suspect there might be some real magnetism to a guy with that kind of success cheering them on as the true Americans, and telling the Ph.Ds, MDs, JDs, etc. to go to hell.

    Those things combine for a powerful appeal, and I think they're willing to overlook/disregard the other stuff that doesn't fit.
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    I guess... it's just a lot to overlook and disregard. For people who complain about the wussification of America, they picked a pretty big wuss to make their point about it. Seems contradictory to me.
     
    UncleTrvlingJim said:
    I guess... it's just a lot to overlook and disregard. For people who complain about the wussification of America, they picked a pretty big wuss to make their point about it. Seems contradictory to me.
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    Very true that he's an enormous wuss - but he is able to insulate himself from actually having to exhibit his wuss behavior. And when it comes to posture and rhetoric, he projects this figure of rejection of "PC" and all of that business. Remember in 2015/16, when many of his voters thought "he says what he really believes" and that was an appealing trait? What they meant was that he says what they think.

    They don't know what he really believes. He lies every time he talks about anything. He's a showman.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    Trump seems to be getting more and more agitated. Is it just a push to change the result before the electoral college votes or is he really losing it?
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    UncleTrvlingJim said:
    With him it's impossible to tell.
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    The question with him has always been this. Does he fall for conspiracy theories or does he manipulate them for his favor?

    i.e. is it a conscious decision or just a reaction?

    During the original Russia election interference hearings (I believe the Senate hearings), mostly discussing misinformation campaigns, one of the experts flat out stated that a big issue they face fighting misinformation is having a president who shares it / falls for it.
     
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