Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (4 Viewers)

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    I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

    Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

    Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.


     
    Pardoned January 6 rioter Richard Barnett has said that he has “no regrets” about sitting with his feet up at then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s deskduring the attack on Congress in early 2021.

    “Oh man, what a great time to be alive. You know, I’m so happy I could be a part of it,” Barnett said during an appearance on the rightwing broadcaster Newsmax. “I’ve had a lot of anger issues to work through. I mean, I’ve been through hell. But I’m telling you what, I wouldn’t give it back for anything.”

    The host, Greg Kelly, told Barnett: “Now let metake a look at you at that desk, and by the way, this is one of the iconic images of January 6th, and some people are horrified by it.”

    “You say you’re glad all of this happened. Tell us why. How did this turn out to be a good thing in the end?” he asked

    “Myself and over 1,600 other J6ers showed up that day for Trump because he asked us to be there, and as a point in our country, I’m hoping that that was one of the reasons that the rest of America woke up and saw the corruption and destruction that was happening to our country,” said Barnett, seemingly referencing the baseless claims pushed by President Donald Trump that the 2020 election was stolen……..

    www.independent.co.uk

    Pardoned Jan. 6 rioter says he's 'so happy' and has ‘no regrets’

    ‘I’ve had a lot of anger issues to work through. I mean, I’ve been through hell. But I’m telling you what, I wouldn’t give it back for anything,’ Richard Barnett tells Newsmax
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    Guess I'll put this here. How y=woiuld react if one of the pardoned Jan 6ers was a neighbor of yours?
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    Last week my next-door neighbor was pardoned for his role in the Jan. 6 insurrection. When his sister called my home to announce his imminent return, I was shocked at my husband’s enthusiasm to welcome him home.

    “We’d love to have him over for dinner to celebrate his homecoming,” he said.

    I glared at him with my mouth agape. How did he expect me to share a table with a Proud Boy?

    When I asked my husband why he instantly invited him over, he replied, “He’s our neighbor, and we should be neighborly.”

    It’s as if my husband wants bygones to be bygones. I wonder if he’s thinking that what’s done is done and there’s nothing we can do about it, so we might as well be nice and move forward.

    “You understand I won’t be there, right?” I told my husband.

    “Do we really have to discuss this now?” he asked, not taking my concerns seriously after working a double shift.

    I’ve been emotionally distraught since our neighbor was released from prison along with all the other Jan. 6 rioters Trump pardoned.

    My husband and I have both avoided watching or reading or listening to the news since the election, thereby sheltering ourselves from reality. I was doing well keeping my anxiety at bay until Friday when we learned about our neighbor’s release.

    My husband’s invitation, in my opinion, gives the impression we aren’t outraged over our neighbor’s illegal actions. It’s as if we’re welcoming him home from a six-month vacation instead of incarceration for a violent crime.

    Before his imprisonment, our neighbor didn’t hide the fact that he was a Proud Boy, and our whole neighborhood witnessed the FBI surrounding his property, red lights whirling and speakers blaring, “Come out with your hands up,” when he was arrested for his participation in the events of Jan. 6.

    Despite our political differences, he has always been friendly, protective of our property when we’re out of town, and willing to go out of his way to help us with projects or when we needed a helping hand. In return, while he was imprisoned, my husband cut his grass and watched over his house during the recent hurricanes.

    His first morning home, our neighbor returned the hummingbird feeder that had landed behind his house during Hurricane Helene or Milton. Our dogs wagged their tails as he reached over the fence to pet them. My mom, who lives with us, walked over to say hello. I refused to join them.

    From the table under the lanai drinking coffee in my pajamas, I could hear him regale my mom with the story of his release from prison.

    “After Trump pardoned us, the D.C. mayor wasn’t planning to let me out,” he said, explaining his Proud Boy mates were waiting outside the federal penitentiary and threatening to call in their members and start a mini J6 if he wasn’t released. Their motto is to “leave no man behind,” he exclaimed.

    “Trump was circling above in a helicopter watching the scene of Proud Boys chanting, ‘Let him free,’” our neighbor explained to my mom.

    I listened, fuming, as he complained about the 4XL clothes the prison guards dressed him in, and which made him look like a “homeless person.” He said he was eventually let out the back door instead of into the fanfare of his gathered friends.

    Our neighbor said he was unfamiliar with the area, so he wandered over to a restaurant where he saw people wearing MAGA hats. Feeling safe, he asked if he could use someone’s phone. When he explained he had just been pardoned for the Jan. 6 riot, the patrons of this restaurant shook his hand and offered to buy him a meal.


    At that point in the story, I couldn’t stand listening to anymore of his bolstering and walked into our house.

    I was raised Catholic, so being nice, kind and generous were family traits that were instilled in me from a young age. Every Thanksgiving, New Year’s Eve or any other holiday, my mom would always invite an acquaintance or even a stranger to our house because they had nowhere else to go.

    The virtues of “do unto others as you’d like to be treated,” and “treat your neighbor as yourself” have been drilled into my head, along with the Thumper rule: “If you can’t say something nice, don’t say nothing at all.”

    But I’m not ready to forgive and welcome my neighbor back with open arms. I don’t know if I will ever be. Still, I’m a strong believer in forgiveness. I know it releases the burden of anger and resentment on myself and can lead to improved mental and physical health.

    On the other hand, I don’t think the images of a mob violently attacking our Capitol, assaulting police officers and attempting to overturn the 2020 U.S. presidential election will never go away. For me, it’s just like the 9/11 terrorist attack — the memories are still there, even decades later. Every time I see an airplane fly too low or near a building, I cringe, afraid it’ll strike. And now, every time I see my neighbor, fury for those who tried to overthrow our government burns in my stomach..............

    www.huffpost.com

    My J6 Neighbor Was Released From Prison By Trump. I'm Furious About What Happened The Day He Got Home.

    “Before his imprisonment, our neighbor didn’t hide the fact that he was a Proud Boy, and our whole neighborhood witnessed the FBI surrounding his property.”
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    Former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio, who received a full pardon for crimes related to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack, said Wednesday he has decided to run for public office.

    In an interview on Newsmax’s “Greg Kelly Reports,” Tarrio said he was still trying to figure out which office he will seek.

    “I think my future is in politics. I think I’m going to take a serious look at running for office at some point, in 2026 or 2028, and I believe that there is a path for that, because it is my passion, you know?” Tarrio told Kelly, when asked about his next steps.

    “I wanted to take some time to really think about it, and I think I’ve made up my mind that I think that I am going to go ahead and push,” he added.

    Tarrio said he is unsure whether he will run for federal or local office.

    “There’s a lot of things that need to be aligned for that to happen, so I am going to take my time with picking what office specifically. What district? Is it going to be local? Is it going to be at a federal level? I don’t know, but I will tell you that I have made a decision,” he said.……

     
    Same country that allows/celebrates waving the confederate flag. Really not that surprising. We have all allowed treason and insurrection to be celebrated for 160 years.
     
    When the FBI raided the Baltimore County home of Elias N. Costianes in February 2021, they found cocaine, testosterone, marijuana, a scale and guns. “The defendant was a drug dealer,” prosecutors would later say, adding, “he was also armed.” Costianes said he was merely supplying himself and friends.

    Last September, a federal judge sentenced Costianes, who pleaded guilty to possessing a gun while using illegal drugs, to a year and a day in federal prison. But Costianes then played a new card: He was also part of the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021, and President Donald Trump had pardoned him.

    Costianes claimed that the pardon also covered his gun conviction, because the FBI raid was related to his pardoned actions on Jan. 6.

    And the government agreed.

    In seven cases around the country, the Justice Department has argued that separate criminal actions uncovered by the Jan. 6 investigation are covered by Trump’s pardon, and the unrelated charges — usually for illegal gun possession — should be dismissed.

    In some of the cases, federal prosecutors initially opposed wiping away the unrelated felony convictions. “The convictions did not occur at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021,” prosecutors in D.C. first argued in the case of Dan Edwin Wilson, sentenced to five years for possessing guns after multiple felony convictions. “And thus, by the plain language of the certificate, the pardon does not extend to these convictions.”

    But within weeks, Wilson’s prosecutors reversed themselves, saying they had “received further clarity on the intent of the presidential pardon” from the Justice Department and that it did include “a pardon for the firearm convictions to which the defendant pleaded.”

    After Trump’s executive order on Jan. 20, the Office of the Pardon Attorney issued individual certificates to almost all of the roughly 1,600 Jan. 6 defendants, which stated that “The pardon applies only to convictions for offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.”

    When courts have pressed the Justice Department for legal reasoning or precedent on why the Jan. 6-adjacent cases should be thrown out, their lawyers have said only that this was Trump’s intent, and courts should defer to “the Executive’s reasonable interpretation of the pardon language.”..................

    Justice Dept. says many Jan. 6 pardons extend to crimes after that date​



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    Optimus Prime said:
    When the FBI raided the Baltimore County home of Elias N. Costianes in February 2021, they found cocaine, testosterone, marijuana, a scale and guns. “The defendant was a drug dealer,” prosecutors would later say, adding, “he was also armed.” Costianes said he was merely supplying himself and friends.

    Last September, a federal judge sentenced Costianes, who pleaded guilty to possessing a gun while using illegal drugs, to a year and a day in federal prison. But Costianes then played a new card: He was also part of the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021, and President Donald Trump had pardoned him.

    Costianes claimed that the pardon also covered his gun conviction, because the FBI raid was related to his pardoned actions on Jan. 6.

    And the government agreed.

    In seven cases around the country, the Justice Department has argued that separate criminal actions uncovered by the Jan. 6 investigation are covered by Trump’s pardon, and the unrelated charges — usually for illegal gun possession — should be dismissed.

    In some of the cases, federal prosecutors initially opposed wiping away the unrelated felony convictions. “The convictions did not occur at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021,” prosecutors in D.C. first argued in the case of Dan Edwin Wilson, sentenced to five years for possessing guns after multiple felony convictions. “And thus, by the plain language of the certificate, the pardon does not extend to these convictions.”

    But within weeks, Wilson’s prosecutors reversed themselves, saying they had “received further clarity on the intent of the presidential pardon” from the Justice Department and that it did include “a pardon for the firearm convictions to which the defendant pleaded.”

    After Trump’s executive order on Jan. 20, the Office of the Pardon Attorney issued individual certificates to almost all of the roughly 1,600 Jan. 6 defendants, which stated that “The pardon applies only to convictions for offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.”

    When courts have pressed the Justice Department for legal reasoning or precedent on why the Jan. 6-adjacent cases should be thrown out, their lawyers have said only that this was Trump’s intent, and courts should defer to “the Executive’s reasonable interpretation of the pardon language.”..................

    Justice Dept. says many Jan. 6 pardons extend to crimes after that date​



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    Party of Law and Order...
     
    As noted earlier…

    Morality for thee but not for me.
     
    On the day Joe Biggs found out he was being released from a lengthy jail sentence by the newly inaugurated Donald Trump, a prison officer was on hand to dampen his mood.

    “You're still gonna get screwed,” Biggs recalls the guard warning him. “You're not getting pardoned. You're only getting your sentence commuted, so you're still a terrorist.”

    It would turn out to be a prescient parting shot.

    Days after returning to the White House for a historic second term, Trump overturned the biggest single prosecution in American history by issuing a mass pardon of 1,500 people for their role in the attack on the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.

    But a much smaller group of 14 people, Biggs included, had their sentences commuted without a pardon, meaning they were released from jail with their crimes still on the books.

    “I’m extremely disappointed in him,” Biggs, a former leader of the far-Right Proud Boys who received one of the highest sentences of the January 6 attackers, says of Trump.

    “I didn't go to trial and blame him for it. I didn't go and say, ‘Oh, this was Trump's fault.’ I sat there and I bit my tongue and I ate it.”

    Biggs was sentenced to 17 years for seditious conspiracy for his role in the attack on the Capitol. Prosecutors said he “served as an instigator and leader” of the attack and that by tearing down a fence between protesters and police on that day he took a “deliberate, meaningful step” to disrupting the electoral vote count.

    Despite only serving four years of that sentence, Biggs complains that his life is still on hold until he can get a pardon.

    “It’s like you're out of jail, but you're still in jail,” he tells The Independent.

    “You're kind of a burden on your family when you're in prison. But now I come home and I'm just draining money. I'm not bringing anything to the table to help my family. So I'm more of a burden, and I don't fit in. I don't feel right,” says Biggs.

    Because of his particular circumstances, Biggs is now one of only 14 people in the entire country to face any lasting legal consequences for what has been described as the worst attack on American democracy since the Civil War.

    His story is full of the same contradictions that characterize the most extreme parts of Trump’s MAGA base. He has gone to jail for Trump, been forgotten by Trump, and yet still believes in Trump……

    Still, he says he has no regrets for his actions that day. And despite all the damning evidence — the video footage, photos, text messages, and social media posts — Biggs still insists the Democrats, the media and the Justice Department exaggerated the severity of January 6 simply to hurt Trump.

    Biggs, who describes himself on X as a “Right Wing Extremist and Proud Terrorist to the left,” has reached out to the key MAGA figures who championed his cause while he was in jail for help. He went to CPAC last month and met with Steve Bannon, but he has since been brushed aside.

    “All they care about is having you on their show so they can sell their f***ing products and make money off of you and your story, and then as soon as you walk away, they forget all about you,” he says.……….




    www.independent.co.uk

    A former Proud Boys leader was freed from prison by Trump. Then his problems began

    Joe Biggs is one of only 14 people in the entire country to face any lasting legal consequences for the Capitol attack, writes Richard Hall.
    www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    On the day Joe Biggs found out he was being released from a lengthy jail sentence by the newly inaugurated Donald Trump, a prison officer was on hand to dampen his mood.

    “You're still gonna get screwed,” Biggs recalls the guard warning him. “You're not getting pardoned. You're only getting your sentence commuted, so you're still a terrorist.”

    It would turn out to be a prescient parting shot.

    Days after returning to the White House for a historic second term, Trump overturned the biggest single prosecution in American history by issuing a mass pardon of 1,500 people for their role in the attack on the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.

    But a much smaller group of 14 people, Biggs included, had their sentences commuted without a pardon, meaning they were released from jail with their crimes still on the books.

    “I’m extremely disappointed in him,” Biggs, a former leader of the far-Right Proud Boys who received one of the highest sentences of the January 6 attackers, says of Trump.

    “I didn't go to trial and blame him for it. I didn't go and say, ‘Oh, this was Trump's fault.’ I sat there and I bit my tongue and I ate it.”

    Biggs was sentenced to 17 years for seditious conspiracy for his role in the attack on the Capitol. Prosecutors said he “served as an instigator and leader” of the attack and that by tearing down a fence between protesters and police on that day he took a “deliberate, meaningful step” to disrupting the electoral vote count.

    Despite only serving four years of that sentence, Biggs complains that his life is still on hold until he can get a pardon.

    “It’s like you're out of jail, but you're still in jail,” he tells The Independent.

    “You're kind of a burden on your family when you're in prison. But now I come home and I'm just draining money. I'm not bringing anything to the table to help my family. So I'm more of a burden, and I don't fit in. I don't feel right,” says Biggs.

    Because of his particular circumstances, Biggs is now one of only 14 people in the entire country to face any lasting legal consequences for what has been described as the worst attack on American democracy since the Civil War.

    His story is full of the same contradictions that characterize the most extreme parts of Trump’s MAGA base. He has gone to jail for Trump, been forgotten by Trump, and yet still believes in Trump……

    Still, he says he has no regrets for his actions that day. And despite all the damning evidence — the video footage, photos, text messages, and social media posts — Biggs still insists the Democrats, the media and the Justice Department exaggerated the severity of January 6 simply to hurt Trump.

    Biggs, who describes himself on X as a “Right Wing Extremist and Proud Terrorist to the left,” has reached out to the key MAGA figures who championed his cause while he was in jail for help. He went to CPAC last month and met with Steve Bannon, but he has since been brushed aside.

    “All they care about is having you on their show so they can sell their f***ing products and make money off of you and your story, and then as soon as you walk away, they forget all about you,” he says.……….




    www.independent.co.uk

    A former Proud Boys leader was freed from prison by Trump. Then his problems began

    Joe Biggs is one of only 14 people in the entire country to face any lasting legal consequences for the Capitol attack, writes Richard Hall.
    www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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    For a self-professed "proud terrorist", Joe Biggs is a whiny little shirt.
     
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