Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump's number two has found himself to be the number one target of several faithful members of the MAGA movement, including Jan. 6 rioters.

Vance told Fox News on Sunday that not all Jan. 6 defendants deserved pardons, specifically saying those who engaged in violence could potentially be excluded.

“If you protested peacefully on Jan. 6 and you’ve had [Attorney General] Merrick Garland’s Department of Justice treat you like a gang member, you should be pardoned,” the vice president-elect said. "If you committed violence on that day, obviously you shouldn’t be pardoned.”

That comment struck a chord with numerous Trump supporters, including Philip Anderson, a Texas man who was arrested on felony and misdemeanor charges connected to the riot.

"Telling your own supporters that the election was stolen and then not giving them a pardon or commutation after you sent them into what you call a 'fedsurrection' and 'trap' is a betrayal," he wrote Sunday. "All of the J6 defendants must be saved. JD Vance is wrong and I hope Trump will save his own supporters."

Another Jan. 6 defendant, Samuel Fisher, (aka Brad Holiday), replied to Anderson, saying, "He better or we will raise hell for the rest of our lives."

Anderson said the sentiment was shared throughout the J6 community, claiming, "Been seeing lots of this."

"J6 defendants and family members are swearing vengeance on JD Vance if all of the J6 defendants are not saved. And they are right to do it," he said on X.

Anderson went on to say Vance "made a HUGE mistake by attacking the J6 defendants," and then warned Anderson's life might hang in the balance.

"If JD Vance has his way and I happen to be included in the half of J6 defendants he abandons… I won’t be alive for it," Anderson said. "My life will be over so no reason to keep living. But here and now I just want to say thank you to every patriot who fought to save all of us."

Anderson even went as far as to remove the MAGA sticker from his vehicle.

"Until all of the J6 defendants are saved I have to take this off my car. JD Vance has crushed the hopes and morale of hundreds of J6ers," he said Sunday.

Popular MAGA commentator Joey Mannarino also chimed in, saying, "Not only should the J6ers be pardoned in a mass blanket pardon, they should be given Presidential Medals of Freedom for standing up when the country needed fighters the most."

"Yes, the violent ones too," he added pointedly.

Vance tried to explain his comments, saying pardons would be offered to those who got a "garbage trial," and that prompted more pushback.

John Strand, who was found guilty of felony and misdemeanor charges for his actions during the Capitol breach replied, "I don’t know who needs to hear this, but every J6 defendant who was forced to be tried by Washington D.C. judges and juries 'got a garbage trial.' EVERY SINGLE ONE.".................

'Betrayal': MAGA activists promise 'to raise hell' as they swear 'vengeance on JD Vance'

Donald Trump's number two has found himself to be the number one target of several faithful members of the MAGA movement, including Jan. 6 rioters. Vance told Fox News on Sunday that not all Jan. 6 defendants deserved pardons, specifically saying those who engaged in violence could potentially...

www.alternet.org

 

[Booker]

Tina Peters gets a well deserved 9 years sentence. And this is a state crime, so Trump can't pardon her.

'You're a charlatan': Election-denying Colorado clerk gets 9 years in machine tampering

On Thursday, former county clerk in Colorado and election-denier Tina Peters was sentenced to nine years behind bars.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Dragon]

Tina Peters gets a well deserved 9 years sentence. And this is a state crime, so Trump can't pardon her.

'You're a charlatan': Election-denying Colorado clerk gets 9 years in machine tampering

On Thursday, former county clerk in Colorado and election-denier Tina Peters was sentenced to nine years behind bars.

www.yahoo.com

This was actually what concerned me the most after the 2020 election. With a 40 years career in IT and with 10 of those in Cybersecurity, I know that basically - no software with external acess is 100% hacker proof. And the access to the code and copying the data on those machines in 2020/2021, would give hackers years to find out how to hack them.

 

[Optimus Prime]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump issued pardons for participants in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, one of his first acts after being sworn in as the country’s 47th president on Monday.

The pardons fulfill Trump’s promise to release supporters who tried to help him overturn his election defeat four years ago…….

Trump issues pardons for participants in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol

Donald Trump has issued pardons for participants in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, one of his first acts after being sworn in as the country’s 47th president on Monday.

apnews.com

Trump pardons 1,500 January 6 protesters and declares southern border emergency in immigration crackdown – live updates

President also issues six commutations as he signs more executive order on first day in office

www.theguardian.com

 

[fooferdoggie]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump issued pardons for participants in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, one of his first acts after being sworn in as the country’s 47th president on Monday.

The pardons fulfill Trump’s promise to release supporters who tried to help him overturn his election defeat four years ago…….

did he pardon them all?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump issued pardons for participants in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, one of his first acts after being sworn in as the country’s 47th president on Monday.

The pardons fulfill Trump’s promise to release supporters who tried to help him overturn his election defeat four years ago…….

Trump issues pardons for participants in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol

Donald Trump has issued pardons for participants in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, one of his first acts after being sworn in as the country’s 47th president on Monday.

apnews.com

Trump pardons 1,500 January 6 protesters and declares southern border emergency in immigration crackdown – live updates

President also issues six commutations as he signs more executive order on first day in office

www.theguardian.com

Party of law and order or something...

 

[fooferdoggie]

Party of law and order or something...

trump just sent the message break the law for me and you get a free pass.

 

[MT15]

The worst conspirators, those who got long sentences, will be released.

 

[DaveXA]

did he pardon them all?

Pardoned some, commuted others. Not sure if that's all or certain ones.

 

[Lapaz]

Pardoned some, commuted others. Not sure if that's all or certain ones.

I heard on the news that all were affected. What prevents Trump from encouraging people to commit violent crimes all over the country against whoever he wants and then pardoning them?

 

[Dragon]

I heard on the news that all were affected. What prevents Trump from encouraging people to commit violent crimes all over the country against whoever he wants and then pardoning them?

There’s really nothing to be done—impeachment will be the only viable way to deal with him for the next four years.

This highlights the weakness of the U.S. justice system. In most other democracies, there’s no hesitation to prosecute politicians, even prime ministers, when they break the law.

I simply don’t understand how “presidential immunity” can exist in a country that prides itself on being a nation of law and order, where everyone is supposed to be equal under the law.

Presidential immunity, combined with the outdated notion that a sitting president cannot be prosecuted while in office, essentially turns the presidency into the ultimate "get out of jail free" card—especially for demagogic, criminal cult leaders like Trump.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I heard on the news that all were affected. What prevents Trump from encouraging people to commit violent crimes all over the country against whoever he wants and then pardoning them?

Congress.

 

[Lapaz]

There’s really nothing to be done—impeachment will be the only viable way to deal with him for the next four years.

This highlights the weakness of the U.S. justice system. In most other democracies, there’s no hesitation to prosecute politicians, even prime ministers, when they break the law.

I simply don’t understand how “presidential immunity” can exist in a country that prides itself on being a nation of law and order, where everyone is supposed to be equal under the law.

Presidential immunity, combined with the outdated notion that a sitting president cannot be prosecuted while in office, essentially turns the presidency into the ultimate "get out of jail free" card—especially for demagogic, criminal cult leaders like Trump.

It's surprising that it has taken so long for someone like Trump to abuse the power of the office, which is now far more powerful than it was during his first term due to the Supreme Court's immunity ruling. U.S. democracy is proving to be more vulnerable than most believed. I heard someone say that America has gone from the most indispensable country in the world to an imperial country that the world may need to dispense with. It may be a quaint and outdated notion that democracies never attack each other, as Trump threatens Canada, Greenland, and Panama.

 

[zztop]

I knew him issuing a pardon would be one of the first things on his agenda.

Now just waiting for the other shoe to drop: Thomas and Alito retiring/replaced in the near future, so we can be forked for more decades to come

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I knew him issuing a pardon would be one of the first things on his agenda.

Now just waiting for the other shoe to drop: Thomas and Alito retiring/replaced in the near future, so we can be forked for more decades to come

Thomas will be replaced by Cannon and Alito's seat will go to Pirro.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[Optimus Prime]

The spear-wielding, bare-chested Jan. 6 rioter known as the “Qanon Shaman” has been pardoned by Donald Trump and says he plans to “buy some motha f***in’ guns” in order to celebrate his freedom.

Jacob Chansley from Phoenix, Arizona, was one of the first Trump supporters to descend on the Capitol building on January 6, 2021, in an attempt to overturn the then-incumbent president’s 2020 election defeat to Joe Biden…..

“Our rights are given to us by God not government. Freedom is our natural state of being. My spirit is free, I was born to be wild [and] I am gonna travel around the country now that I finally can!,” Chansley told The Independent when reached for comment…….

‘QAnon Shaman’ Jacob Chansley is pardoned by Trump

‘My spirit is free, I was born to be wild [and] I am gonna travel around the country now that I finally can,’ the convicted Jan. 6 rioter tells The Independent upon being granted clemency

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

As President Donald Trump’s cascade of executive orders blasts chaos into the federal government, Americans are in for another exhausting four years.

It didn’t have to be this way.

Four years ago, it was unimaginable that Trump would return to office. Just two weeks before the inauguration, rioters had attacked police officers and occupied the Capitol, delaying for hours the certification of the 2020 election.

The mob was egged on by Trump, who falsely claimed that their effort was needed to “stop the steal.” The attack on democracy and the peaceful transfer of presidential power was astonishing.

Four years later, some attribute Trump’s political comeback to Attorney General Merrick Garland, who failed to secure a criminal conviction of Trump for his role in seeking to overturn the election.

But the real culprits for Trump’s return to power lie in the legislative and judicial branches. Don’t blame Garland. Blame Mitch McConnell and the Supreme Court…..

At the time, the GOP Senate leader discouraged his conference from voting to convict, arguing that the criminal justice process could take care of it.

McConnell said, "There's no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events” of Jan. 6. He called the attack a “foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories, and reckless hyperbole which the defeated president kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth.”

Blasting Trump for failing to call off the mob, he said “The president did not act swiftly. He did not do his job... Instead according to public reports he watched television happily as the chaos unfolded, kept pressing his scheme to overturn the election.” Powerful words from a member of Trump’s own party.

But McConnell failed to take the additional step of using the power of the Senate to check Trump’s potential return to power.

Passing the buck to prosecutors and the courts, McConnell excused his fecklessness by saying Trump “didn't get away with anything yet. We have a criminal justice system in this country.” But, it turns out, not a criminal justice system that could protect us from Trump……..

Blame McConnell

By Barbara McQuade

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