Trump floats claims for Canada, Greenland, and the Panama Canal (8 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Oh, but he's only joking - well, maybe, so they say. Or sort of joking with Canada, and maybe not joking with Greenland - saying that "ownership and control of Greenland is an absolute necessity" doesn't sound like a joke . . . and um, not sure about what the about Panama Canal thing is?

Trump Jokes Canada Becoming 51st US State 'A Great Idea'

US President-elect Donald Trump said Wednesday it would be "a great idea" for Canada to become the 51st US state, teasing on social media that "many Canadians" welcome the idea, as Ottawa is wracked by a political crisis.

www.barrons.com

Trump threatens to try to take back the Panama Canal. Panama's president balks at the suggestion

Donald Trump is suggesting that his new administration could try to regain control of the Panama Canal.

apnews.com

 

[faceman]

If you say so. A quick google search will tell you he borrows money from US banks all the time. Heck are we not seeing court cases over banks lending him more money than the property was worth (even though is was total BS)?

This is such a weird thing for y'all to squabble about. It is obvious that the people responding in this thread are not in the lending nor real estate business. Stop reading articles from "journalist" who have never created anything of substance in the business sector of life and proclaim it as truth. TDS is real.

SFL ? I'm beginning to think so

 

[horse2H5]

No federally backed bank has lent a dime to Trump in over 20 years. He has been blacklisted by them all.

All of his loans come from either private equity, China, Russia or Saudi Arabia. This has been the case for two decades.

I am kind of impressed with how confidently you espouse wrong information.

Ok so now its not banked it is federally backed banks. Are you saying that no federally backed banks have loaned any Donald Trump corporation any money in the last 20 years? Do you want to give any further qualifiers?

 

[CoolBrees]

Axos is private equity. Their loans are not backed by FDIC.

Do you know the difference?

 

[horse2H5]

Axos is private equity. Their loans are not backed by FDIC.

Do you know the difference?

I do. Would you be kind enough to answer the question I posed to you. I don't want to goals to continue to move as they already have in the last few post.

 

[horse2H5]

SFL ? I'm beginning to think so

What is an SFL?

 

[CoolBrees]

So I looked - I can find a single federally back bank that worked with him in the 2000's: Amboy Bank lent him between 10-15 million in the mid 2000's. I have no information as to which org took the loan or what is was for - but it wasn't paid back.

Since 2012, the only three entities that I can find that have lent him money are -

Ladder Capital $282 million - a private equity firm on Wall Street that specializes in Commercial real estate. They have given him $282 million and it was shady - this is the loans he just lost in court over.

Deutsche Bank $364 million: A German bank that has seen most of its American entities shut down and their Managers indicted. They have quietly cut ties and they have been caught working with real life nazis. They will work with nazis but not Trump

Axon - over $500 million: California private equity firm that loaned Trump a boatload to pay off election debt.

Some other lenders prior to 2012 -

Royal Bank of Pennsylvania (Private Equity)

Bank of New York Mellon Trust (Private Investment Fund)

Chevy Chase Holdings (LOL)

Amboy Bank - a real bank! He hasn't borrowed from them in years but I can't find confirmation that they won't work with him; only that he never paid off this loan.

Investors Savings Bank- Private equity that bought two loans Trump had for a golf course and a condo building. He defaulted and paid the settlement slowly and finished paying it off in 2022. Oh ISB was bought by Citizen's National Bank and has cut ties other than the settlement.

 

[horse2H5]

So I looked - I can find a single federally back bank that worked with him in the 2000's: Amboy Bank lent him between 10-15 million in the mid 2000's. I have no information as to which org took the loan or what is was for - but it wasn't paid back.

Since 2012, the only three entities that I can find that have lent him money are -

Ladder Capital $282 million - a private equity firm on Wall Street that specializes in Commercial real estate. They have given him $282 million and it was shady - this is the loans he just lost in court over.

Deutsche Bank $364 million: A German bank that has seen most of its American entities shut down and their Managers indicted. They have quietly cut ties and they have been caught working with real life nazis. They will work with nazis but not Trump

Axon - over $500 million: California private equity firm that loaned Trump a boatload to pay off election debt.

Some other lenders prior to 2012 -

Royal Bank of Pennsylvania (Private Equity)

Bank of New York Mellon Trust (Private Investment Fund)

Chevy Chase Holdings (LOL)

Amboy Bank - a real bank! He hasn't borrowed from them in years but I can't find confirmation that they won't work with him; only that he never paid off this loan.

Investors Savings Bank- Private equity that bought two loans Trump had for a golf course and a condo building. He defaulted and paid the settlement slowly and finished paying it off in 2022. Oh ISB was bought by Citizen's National Bank and has cut ties other than the settlement.

How did he negotiate these deals? Did he ask and they just said yes? Did he waive a magic wand?

 

[Dragon]

It is important to understand that Deutsche Bank is deeply involved with Russia

The New York Times: The New York Times reported extensively on Deutsche Bank’s involvement in the mirror trading scandal, which involved transferring billions of dollars between Russia and other countries through Deutsche Bank's accounts, with Russian banks acting as intermediaries.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/business/deutsche-bank-money-laundering-russia.html

The Guardian: The Guardian covered Deutsche Bank’s loans to Donald Trump, even as other U.S. banks were reluctant to lend him money. The article raised questions about potential ties to Russian money and influence.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/21/trump-deutsche-bank-loans-russian-ties

BBC News: Deutsche Bank was fined for facilitating money laundering, including transactions with Russian clients, highlighting the risks of its business dealings with oligarchs and state-backed institutions.

Bloomberg: Bloomberg’s coverage of Deutsche Bank’s ties to Russian banks examined how the financial giant helped Russian entities bypass sanctions and how that connected to broader geopolitical dynamics, especially regarding Trump.

The Financial Times: This article outlines Deutsche Bank’s history of involvement with Russian entities and concerns regarding potential violations of international sanctions, especially in light of the 2014 Crimea annexation.

• Article: Deutsche Bank Faces Scrutiny Over Russian Links (May 2017)

 

[horse2H5]

It is important to understand that Deutsche Bank is deeply involved with Russia

The New York Times: The New York Times reported extensively on Deutsche Bank’s involvement in the mirror trading scandal, which involved transferring billions of dollars between Russia and other countries through Deutsche Bank's accounts, with Russian banks acting as intermediaries.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/business/deutsche-bank-money-laundering-russia.html

The Guardian: The Guardian covered Deutsche Bank’s loans to Donald Trump, even as other U.S. banks were reluctant to lend him money. The article raised questions about potential ties to Russian money and influence.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/21/trump-deutsche-bank-loans-russian-ties

BBC News: Deutsche Bank was fined for facilitating money laundering, including transactions with Russian clients, highlighting the risks of its business dealings with oligarchs and state-backed institutions.

Bloomberg: Bloomberg’s coverage of Deutsche Bank’s ties to Russian banks examined how the financial giant helped Russian entities bypass sanctions and how that connected to broader geopolitical dynamics, especially regarding Trump.

The Financial Times: This article outlines Deutsche Bank’s history of involvement with Russian entities and concerns regarding potential violations of international sanctions, especially in light of the 2014 Crimea annexation.

• Article: Deutsche Bank Faces Scrutiny Over Russian Links (May 2017)

Your 5 year old Guardian link doesn't work. Do you have anything somewhat more recent than 2017 that has been substantiated?

 

[Dragon]

Your 5 year old Guardian link doesn't work. Do you have anything somewhat more recent than 2017 that has been substantiated?

Try searching some of the US sites then

 

[Dragon]

Here is a newer one from the Guardian which both mention Trump and Deutche Bank

Over two decades, Trump borrowed more than $2bn from Deutsche. In 2008, he defaulted on a $45m loan repayment and sued the bank. Its private wealth division in New York subsequently loaned Trump a further $300m – a move that bemused insiders and which has yet to be fully explained.

In recent years, the bank has had a series of bruising encounters with international regulators. Between 2011 and 2018, it paid $14.5bn in fines, with exposure to dubious Russian money a regular theme.

In 2017, the UK’s Financial Conduct Authority imposed its largest fine – £163m – after Deutsche carried out a $10bn “mirror trade” scheme run out of its branch in Moscow. The New York Department of Financial Services (DFS) fined the bank $425m over the same case, in which roubles were converted into dollars via fake trades on behalf of VIP Russian clients.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ion-over-20bn-russian-money-laundering-scheme

 

[horse2H5]

Here is a newer one from the Guardian which both mention Trump and Deutche Bank





https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ion-over-20bn-russian-money-laundering-scheme

That is cool and all, but not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand.

Why would anyone or any institution lend him money, if they don't make money by doing so? Do you think there was a negotiation process? Or did he just say give me a billion dollars and they opened their coffers?

 

[Dragon]

That is cool and all, but not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand.

Why would anyone or any institution lend him money, if they don't make money by doing so? Do you think there was a negotiation process? Or did he just say give me a billion dollars and they opened their coffers?

That is a very good question. Maybe you should think about that. Banks don't just give away money
On the other hand there are several instances in Europe where DB has been linked to illegal payments to politicians so maybe think about that for a while - including Don jr.s claim about Trump getting all the financing he needed from Russia...

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/3...on-american-banks-we-have-all-the-funding-we/

 

[horse2H5]

That is a very good question. Maybe you should think about that. Banks don't just give away money
On the other hand there are several instances in Europe where DB has been linked to illegal payments to politicians so maybe think about that for a while - including Don jr.s claim about Trump getting all the financing he needed from Russia...

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/3...on-american-banks-we-have-all-the-funding-we/

They don't just give away money, they want more money back in return. Trump had no influence prior to 2016 and beyond 2020, yet he was still able to borrow money.

 

[Dragon]

They don't just give away money, they want more money back in return. Trump had no influence prior to 2016 and beyond 2020, yet he was still able to borrow money.

That quote from his son is from 2014 - I guess he did have some influence then?

 

[horse2H5]

That quote from his son is from 2017 - I guess he did have some influence then?

I would agree he did from 2016-2020 and for the next 4 years. But what about all the other times? Why would they give him money?

 

[Dragon]

I would agree he did from 2016-2020 and for the next 4 years. But what about all the other times? Why would they give him money?

Because Russian Oligarks were under sanctions after the Crimea invasion and needed to whitewash their money - and what better way to do it than use Trump and various other options.

 

[horse2H5]

Because Russian Oligarks were under sanctions after the Crimea invasion and needed to whitewash their money - and what better way to do it than use Trump and various other options.

Let's say that is true, what about all of the other lending? This isn't some type of gotcha. You can admit that the man knows how to make money for himself and his business partners. He also know how to negotiate as evident in him becoming the most powerful man in the world, twice.

Your friends won't call you MAGA for accepting this fact. It's ok to admit that he is far more financially successful than anyone posting on this board. And a better negotiator.