Trump floats claims for Canada, Greenland, and the Panama Canal (Update: Trump wants Gaza too) (4 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Oh, but he's only joking - well, maybe, so they say. Or sort of joking with Canada, and maybe not joking with Greenland - saying that "ownership and control of Greenland is an absolute necessity" doesn't sound like a joke . . . and um, not sure about what the about Panama Canal thing is?

Trump Jokes Canada Becoming 51st US State 'A Great Idea'

US President-elect Donald Trump said Wednesday it would be "a great idea" for Canada to become the 51st US state, teasing on social media that "many Canadians" welcome the idea, as Ottawa is wracked by a political crisis.

www.barrons.com

Trump threatens to try to take back the Panama Canal. Panama's president balks at the suggestion

Trump didn't explain how such a takeover would be possible, given that the U.S. relinquished control of the canal to Panama in 1999 under a treaty signed by President Jimmy Carter in 1977.

apnews.com

 

[RobF]

(source):

In a statement, Israel’s Nachala Movement has responded to Donald Trump’s comments by saying “we must hurry” to settle Gaza.​

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Reuters reports the far-right group posted to social media saying “We must hurry and establish settlements throughout the Gaza Strip. No part of the land of Israel should be left without Jewish settlement. If an area remains desolate, it may be captured by enemies.”​

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Israeli settler leader Daniella Weiss has previously stated that thousands of Jewish settlers are ready to move to Gaza.​

(I do try to add my own commentary to links, but I'm running out of words).

 

[efil4]

(source):

In a statement, Israel’s Nachala Movement has responded to Donald Trump’s comments by saying “we must hurry” to settle Gaza.​

​

Reuters reports the far-right group posted to social media saying “We must hurry and establish settlements throughout the Gaza Strip. No part of the land of Israel should be left without Jewish settlement. If an area remains desolate, it may be captured by enemies.”​

​

Israeli settler leader Daniella Weiss has previously stated that thousands of Jewish settlers are ready to move to Gaza.​

(I do try to add my own commentary to links, but I'm running out of words).

This will be a long lasting stain on America if this comes to fruition.

So many questions- starting with National Security- how in the world does this bolster our security? How do we defend a territory that is 6000 miles away?

Aside from the security concerns, how does this square with punishing Russia for its role in Crimea in 2014 and now eastern Ukraine? I suspect its why Trump NEVER CONDEMNED Russia for its illegal invasion and pulled out UN Human Rights Council.

Im so disgusted this morning that i can hardly focus on work. I have to believe that this simply wont happen. I have to.

Might want to ask a Saints fan what it means to build atop a burial site. Nothing is gonna work out how he thinks it will. Nothing but pain and suffering for folks for DECADES to come.

!@#!# this dude.

 

[CajuninVA]

As the father of a 15 year old son, I wonder if Trump is planning to send him there in 3 years with a gun and flak jacket to protect his property investment. I am sick to my stomach with all of this dysfunction and crap.

Is it time to skip out on this country?

 

[efil4]

As the father of a 15 year old son, I wonder if Trump is planning to send him there in 3 years with a gun and flak jacket to protect his property investment. I am sick to my stomach with all of this dysfunction and crap.

Is it time to skip out on this country?

I had conversation just last week with best friend.

I have all but avoided much of social media/political stuff since November. I found that consuming too much was giving me visceral reactions - affecting me physically.

I know you mentioned feeling "sick to my stomach" and i hope it was more tongue in cheek, but can attest to having true physical reactions to some of this crap which is why i have avoided this board and much of social media/politics. I simply can no longer expose myself to this never-ending wave of idiocy and function daily. Knowing i have to function among some of the very idiots that brought us to this point.

 

[Huntn]

As the father of a 15 year old son, I wonder if Trump is planning to send him there in 3 years with a gun and flak jacket to protect his property investment. I am sick to my stomach with all of this dysfunction and crap.

Is it time to skip out on this country?

If I was 40 years younger, I’d consider it, while realizing it’s a huge gamble to stay or to leave. My wife and I are like the old couple on deck chairs hugging each other as the ship goes down.

 

[Huntn]

I had conversation just last week with best friend.

I have all but avoided much of social media/political stuff since November. I found that consuming too much was giving me visceral reactions - affecting me physically.

I know you mentioned feeling "sick to my stomach" and i hope it was more tongue in cheek, but can attest to having true physical reactions to some of this crap which is why i have avoided this board and much of social media/politics. I simply can no longer expose myself to this never-ending wave of idiocy and function daily. Knowing i have to function among some of the very idiots that brought us to this point.

Yesterday was first time I’ve been back here since the catestrophic Nov5. And I have yet to tune into MSNBC, there is too little grounds for hope at this time. Don’t look forward to being pummeled by doom and gloom daily. It’s bad enough on social media as the DC coup progresses.

 

[Huntn]

(source):

In a statement, Israel’s Nachala Movement has responded to Donald Trump’s comments by saying “we must hurry” to settle Gaza.​

​

Reuters reports the far-right group posted to social media saying “We must hurry and establish settlements throughout the Gaza Strip. No part of the land of Israel should be left without Jewish settlement. If an area remains desolate, it may be captured by enemies.”​

​

Israeli settler leader Daniella Weiss has previously stated that thousands of Jewish settlers are ready to move to Gaza.​

(I do try to add my own commentary to links, but I'm running out of words).

You might say anyone ready to move to Gaza, especially Jewish has a death wish at this point. Trump’s implication that the US should take over Gaza and station troops there is the kind of folly that’s hard to even imagination. Remember, this was the guy who was going to rid the US of foreign entsnglements. SUPRISE!!

 

[superchuck500]

This will be a long lasting stain on America if this comes to fruition.

So many questions- starting with National Security- how in the world does this bolster our security? How do we defend a territory that is 6000 miles away?

Aside from the security concerns, how does this square with punishing Russia for its role in Crimea in 2014 and now eastern Ukraine? I suspect its why Trump NEVER CONDEMNED Russia for its illegal invasion and pulled out UN Human Rights Council.

Im so disgusted this morning that i can hardly focus on work. I have to believe that this simply wont happen. I have to.

Might want to ask a Saints fan what it means to build atop a burial site. Nothing is gonna work out how he thinks it will. Nothing but pain and suffering for folks for DECADES to come.

!@#!# this dude.

Recall that Trump's immediate response - his true belief and instinct - when Putin invaded Ukraine was that it was "genius".

It's literally thrown the Russian nation into absolute turmoil, tens of thousands of its young men dead, brought a loss of sovereign territory, destruction of much of its shipping, refineries on fire, and economy in shambles. And that was all obvious to anyone with any sense when it started.

But not Trump - he saw it as genius.

 

[TampaJoe]

You might say anyone ready to move to Gaza, especially Jewish has a death wish at this point. Trump’s implication that the US should take over Gaza and station troops there is the kind of folly that’s hard to even imagination. Remember, this was the guy who was going to rid the US of foreign entsnglements. SUPRISE!!

This sounds to me like an initial offer. It starts a conversation on the fate of Gaza.

I don’t believe the two state solution is viable any longer. So what happens next?

Gaza has been destroyed. I don’t know but I would bet that many Gaza residents would be open to resettling somewhere safe where they can make a living. I can’t see them living in Gaza for a decade while they rebuild. I also don’t think the Israelis are all that interested in things going back to where they were. So where do they go. Nobody wants them.

How do you get to a peaceful Gaza? Obviously the dynamic must be changed. But how?

So the conversation begins. It was inevitable. I think what Trump and BiBi are saying is that things aren’t going back to the two state solution. I think that is off the table.

 

[PaulT]

“….They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Alfred Pennyworth.

 

[coldseat]

Every forking thing that has happened in Gaze since October 7th two years ago has been so predictable, including this once Trump won the election. None of it is a surprise. And Democrats played their roles as enablers and patsies with their unequivocal support of Israel.

I really hate what the USA has become.

 

[efil4]

How do you get to a peaceful Gaza? Obviously the dynamic must be changed. But how?

'you think a "peaceful Gaza" is brought about by the US OWNING the land and occupying it?

Land that is considered holy to those inhabitants of the ME. This isnt some tract of wetlands that he wants to occupy and develop....this is land that you cant even begin to understand the historical and religious significance for the people of the ME. Specific to Palestinians.

So you honestly think that having US presence, civilian and military, on this land, 6000+ miles from America, in the ME, promotes peace?

 

[efil4]

Every forking thing that has happened in Gaze since October 7th two years ago has been so predictable, including this once Trump won the election. None of it is a surprise. And Democrats played their roles as enablers and patsies with their unequivocal support of Israel.

I really hate what the USA has become.

I would go one step further - it would not surprise me to learn that Bibi and Trump had been coordinating thru back channels for this very outcome. It was planned all along to decimate Gaza in order for the takeover to happen under the guise of " well we have to, they cant return because there is nothing to return to"

 

[superchuck500]

This sounds to me like an initial offer. It starts a conversation on the fate of Gaza.

I don’t believe the two state solution is viable any longer. So what happens next?

Gaza has been destroyed. I don’t know but I would bet that many Gaza residents would be open to resettling somewhere safe where they can make a living. I can’t see them living in Gaza for a decade while they rebuild. I also don’t think the Israelis are all that interested in things going back to where they were. So where do they go. Nobody wants them.

How do you get to a peaceful Gaza? Obviously the dynamic must be changed. But how?

So the conversation begins. It was inevitable. I think what Trump and BiBi are saying is that things aren’t going back to the two state solution. I think that is off the table.

First of all, this idea that the Palestinians in Gaza wouldn't actually want to go back ignores thousands of years of human history. Much of Gaza was in horrible condition - they don't care. It's their home, and it is so at the core of their religious identity. It's wildly western-ignorant to say that they're just going to give up now that it has been destroyed. Even if, as you say, some would be open to re-settlement on some meaningful plan for them (there is none at the moment - nor any real momentum towards one). What about the rest?

But as to Trump, he unequivocally stated that the US will "own" Gaza. The Palestinians that lived there will "all" have to resettle somewhere else (no plan stated). And the US will then "develop" Gaza. Trump reiterated more than twice that he's talking about permanent US occupation . . . which is the correct term for "owning" Gaza because the US couldn't actually assert title to Gaza under international law. And this idea of "developing" Gaza - as if it were some seaside tract in Jersey - has been floating in the Kushner/Trump orbit for a while now.

But you're saying no, no - this was nothing more than a signal that things can't go back to the way they were. This is just a conversation the world has to have . . . and you're saying this with a straight face? Once again, one of the most fascinating things about Trump support is that people delude themselves to see exactly what they want to see - pretend to hear what they want to hear or believe is appropriate, regardless of what Trump actually does or says.

It would have been far less destructive and destabilizing for him to say "this can't go back to the way it was, and we're going to work with the Israelis and interests in the region" and state some plan - but that's very specifically not what he said. He unequivocally said US ownership. And he's now talking about why this shouldn't bother the Iranians. The Trump sycophants are posting about how this is great for US security because it will give us a base "of our own, right there in the middle east".

There's only so much stretching of reality that we can take here.

 

[coldseat]

This sounds to me like an initial offer. It starts a conversation on the fate of Gaza.

I don’t believe the two state solution is viable any longer. So what happens next?

Gaza has been destroyed. I don’t know but I would bet that many Gaza residents would be open to resettling somewhere safe where they can make a living. I can’t see them living in Gaza for a decade while they rebuild. I also don’t think the Israelis are all that interested in things going back to where they were. So where do they go. Nobody wants them.

How do you get to a peaceful Gaza? Obviously the dynamic must be changed. But how?

So the conversation begins. It was inevitable. I think what Trump and BiBi are saying is that things aren’t going back to the two state solution. I think that is off the table.

We just got out of a long term war in the ME 4 years ago, thanks to Biden, and now you want to go back in and take over land that will cost American tax payers billions of dollars and condemn us to fighting endless war/terrorism? All so that the military industrial complex and Trump's family can make bank off of fighting and developing that land. And you don't think we're going to pay a price for our imperialism? fork that shirt.

I want absolutely no part of that mess. I want us to stop supporting Israel's genocide and land grab. I want us to get the hell out of the ME.

 

[Optimus Prime]

But you're saying no, no - this was nothing more than a signal that things can't go back to the way they were. This is just a conversation the world has to have . . . and you're saying this with a straight face? Once again, one of the most fascinating things about Trump support is that people delude themselves to see exactly what they want to see - pretend to hear what they want to hear or believe is appropriate, regardless of what Trump actually does or says.

It would have been far less destructive and destabilizing for him to say "this can't go back to the way it was, and we're going to work with the Israelis and interests in the region" and state some plan - but that's very specifically not what he said. He unequivocally said US ownership. And he's now talking about why this shouldn't bother the Iranians. The Trump sycophants are posting about how this is great for US security because it will give us a base "of our own, right there in the middle east".

There's only so much stretching of reality that we can take here.

 

[Huntn]

This sounds to me like an initial offer. It starts a conversation on the fate of Gaza.

I don’t believe the two state solution is viable any longer. So what happens next?

Gaza has been destroyed. I don’t know but I would bet that many Gaza residents would be open to resettling somewhere safe where they can make a living. I can’t see them living in Gaza for a decade while they rebuild. I also don’t think the Israelis are all that interested in things going back to where they were. So where do they go. Nobody wants them.

How do you get to a peaceful Gaza? Obviously the dynamic must be changed. But how?

So the conversation begins. It was inevitable. I think what Trump and BiBi are saying is that things aren’t going back to the two state solution. I think that is off the table.

Yes, let’s be very practical and reasonable about this. It’s just normal human interaction after all. No two state solution because one state destroyed the other, wholesale death and destruction, genocide, ethnic cleansing and under the new Administration we’re best buds. Let’s go from there, no hard feelings at all involving the local participants, And I’m sure Israel needs Billions to recover from this ordeal and we’ll be happy to fix them up.

 

[efil4]

'you think a "peaceful Gaza" is brought about by the US OWNING the land and occupying it?

Land that is considered holy to those inhabitants of the ME. This isnt some tract of wetlands that he wants to occupy and develop....this is land that you cant even begin to understand the historical and religious significance for the people of the ME. Specific to Palestinians.

So you honestly think that having US presence, civilian and military, on this land, 6000+ miles from America, in the ME, promotes peace?

First of all, this idea that the Palestinians in Gaza wouldn't actually want to go back ignores thousands of years of human history. Much of Gaza was in horrible condition - they don't care. It's their home, and it is so at the core of their religious identity. It's wildly western-ignorant to say that they're just going to give up now that it has been destroyed. Even if, as you say, some would be open to re-settlement on some meaningful plan for them (there is none at the moment - nor any real momentum towards one). What about the rest?

But as to Trump, he unequivocally stated that the US will "own" Gaza. The Palestinians that lived there will "all" have to resettle somewhere else (no plan stated). And the US will then "develop" Gaza. Trump reiterated more than twice that he's talking about permanent US occupation . . . which is the correct term for "owning" Gaza because the US couldn't actually assert title to Gaza under international law. And this idea of "developing" Gaza - as if it were some seaside tract in Jersey - has been floating in the Kushner/Trump orbit for a while now.

But you're saying no, no - this was nothing more than a signal that things can't go back to the way they were. This is just a conversation the world has to have . . . and you're saying this with a straight face? Once again, one of the most fascinating things about Trump support is that people delude themselves to see exactly what they want to see - pretend to hear what they want to hear or believe is appropriate, regardless of what Trump actually does or says.

It would have been far less destructive and destabilizing for him to say "this can't go back to the way it was, and we're going to work with the Israelis and interests in the region" and state some plan - but that's very specifically not what he said. He unequivocally said US ownership. And he's now talking about why this shouldn't bother the Iranians. The Trump sycophants are posting about how this is great for US security because it will give us a base "of our own, right there in the middle east".

There's only so much stretching of reality that we can take here.

one of us is an Attorney by trade. Care to guess who's who?

LOLOLOL.