The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (1 Viewer)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    And my other thought after posting that was to not shortchange Rush Limbaugh and the like their credit for setting the stage and clearing the path for 25 years so that someone like Trump could exist in our political world.
    Good point.
     
    In case there was any confusion about whether all of this nuttiness by Trump's B-team lawyers is the official position of one of the two major political parties in the U.S.:



    The GOP is pretending that the election they lost by 5 million popular votes and 70+ electoral votes was actually a landslide victory for Donald Trump. They're all in.
     
    In case there was any confusion about whether all of this nuttiness by Trump's B-team lawyers is the official position of one of the two major political parties in the U.S.:



    The GOP is pretending that the election they lost by 5 million popular votes and 70+ electoral votes was actually a landslide victory for Donald Trump. They're all in.


    Man, if I didn't know any better, I would have thought a Trump staffer was running that Twitter page.
     
    In case there was any confusion about whether all of this nuttiness by Trump's B-team lawyers is the official position of one of the two major political parties in the U.S.:



    The GOP is pretending that the election they lost by 5 million popular votes and 70+ electoral votes was actually a landslide victory for Donald Trump. They're all in.

    So at what point is this over? When Joe Biden is sworn in on January 20th and not a minute before then, right?

    And then what? How many elected Republicans are we going to have fanning these flames beyond inauguration day? Seems likely to be way too gosh darned many.

    The forking cowardice of the GOP here is completely shameful, unpatriotic and above all else, it's dangerous. If the party itself is going to dig in to this extent it makes me think this shirt can only spiral downward from here.
     
    So at what point is this over? When Joe Biden is sworn in on January 20th and not a minute before then, right?

    And then what? How many elected Republicans are we going to have fanning these flames beyond inauguration day? Seems likely to be way too gosh darned many.

    The forking cowardice of the GOP here is completely shameful, unpatriotic and above all else, it's dangerous. If the party itself is going to dig in to this extent it makes me think this shirt can only spiral downward from here.

    Well after that shirtshow of a press conference, and the relative silence from the rest of the GOP. I'm going with it never ends.
     
    Well after that shirtshow of a press conference, and the relative silence from the rest of the GOP. I'm going with it never ends.
    Right.. it's not. Republicans ain't coming around to save Democracy here.

    Which is why the coup thing actually has to be taken very seriously, because when you drop the assumption that most elected Republicans are ever going to act in good faith on this, you kind of realize just how thin of a line it could potentially be between Trump pulling this off or not pulling this off.

    See, in anything resembling a normal world I should sound crazy for talking like that considering this was a fairly decisive election in reality... But I don't think I am.
     
    So, apologies if this has been posted, but it does appear that we are entering the ”coup” phase of Trump’s plan. He lost so decisively that Plan A (discredit the absentee votes and get them thrown out) didn’t work, so they are going to appeal to state legislatures to ignore the vote and appoint their own Trump electors.

    I don’t think they can actually accomplish this, but the fact that it’s not drawing any criticism from Republican leadership is just breathtaking.

    As I am typing this at least two MI GOP leaders from their legislature are flying to DC to meet with Trump.

     
    So at what point is this over? When Joe Biden is sworn in on January 20th and not a minute before then, right?

    And then what? How many elected Republicans are we going to have fanning these flames beyond inauguration day? Seems likely to be way too gosh darned many.

    The forking cowardice of the GOP here is completely shameful, unpatriotic and above all else, it's dangerous. If the party itself is going to dig in to this extent it makes me think this shirt can only spiral downward from here.


    Followed by the cowardice of the Democrats if they just shake their heads and "move on"

    I don't know what recourse or consequences there can be for these actions by the GOP but there has to be something right?

    Something beyond adding/changing laws so this can't happen again

    We can't just move on and pretend that they didn't try to do what they are trying to do can we?
     
    It's sort of funny if you view it through the lens that Trump is perhaps being conned himself by all these hired guns who know they're just speaking out of their collective arses.

     
    So at what point is this over? When Joe Biden is sworn in on January 20th and not a minute before then, right?

    And then what? How many elected Republicans are we going to have fanning these flames beyond inauguration day? Seems likely to be way too gosh darned many.

    The forking cowardice of the GOP here is completely shameful, unpatriotic and above all else, it's dangerous. If the party itself is going to dig in to this extent it makes me think this shirt can only spiral downward from here.

    Well after that shirtshow of a press conference, and the relative silence from the rest of the GOP. I'm going with it never ends.

    I agree with that response.

    Donald Trump will never acknowledge he lost. Something like 50% of Republican voters now believe that he didn't lose according to recent polls and that will only rise as the propaganda increases. There is no reason to believe that GOP elected officials will ever alienate their voters by acknowledging that Trump lost. Trump *is* the GOP. They've already abandoned any platform beyond whatever it is that he wants. Pretending he won will not cost them politically. The Georgia Senate run-offs are premised almost entirely on pretending that he won the State of Georgia and was robbed by the evil RINO Secretary of State and cities run by black people. And unless a miracle happens and the GOP loses both of those seats, they GOP will use their Senate majority to do nothing but spend the next two years investigating the stolen election.

    And they'll be able to do all of this when the election itself wasn't even really that close!!!
     
    Followed by the cowardice of the Democrats if they just shake their heads and "move on"

    I don't know what recourse or consequences there can be for these actions by the GOP but there has to be something right?

    Something beyond adding/changing laws so this can't happen again

    We can't just move on and pretend that they didn't try to do what they are trying to do can we?

    How can their be any ramifications when we are a country that is split damn near 50/50? Their voters are the ones pushing them to act so radical. Republican voters are more radical than their legislators and want them to go all the way to the end and keep Trump in power. They truly believe there is this grand scheme to overthrow Trump and that the only just outcome if for Trump to stay in power at any cost. Any measure.

    The only ones that can vote these people out of office are Republican voters. And we saw in the last election that those voters came through and saved the Senate for the Republicans and turned over seats in the House. Their voters rewarded them for the last 4 years under Trump and elected more crazy QAnon representatives. What possible incentive could there be to not acting this way for them?

    It's not about democracy. Republican voters do not care about democracy. They care about power. That's it!
     

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