The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (1 Viewer)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    Maggie Haberman letting people anonymously express their "concerns" is absolutely useless. Either name them or step selling their coward bullshirt.
    I think I read she's got a Trump book coming out (because of course she does).. she had to keep that access, yo.
     



    I think those sum up a lot. Trump will push this as far as humanly possible and most of the GOP will be right there with him.


    "waiting for the president to recognize that"???????

    better grab a snickers cuz you're going to be waiting for a long arse time

    And at some point they need to realize that the president is never to realize that and they need to be the ones to publicly call this out
     
    In case there was any confusion about whether all of this nuttiness by Trump's B-team lawyers is the official position of one of the two major political parties in the U.S.:



    The GOP is pretending that the election they lost by 5 million popular votes and 70+ electoral votes was actually a landslide victory for Donald Trump. They're all in.


    This is absolutely disgusting. Once I heard he was asking Michigan legislators to literally overturn the vote and send Republican electors I almost 🤮. I don’t agree with a lot of the Democrat platform and I voted for Trump in 2016 (lifelong Republican but I flipped and voted Biden now), but this makes me ashamed to identify as a Republican. I get people have politics interests but the Republican leaders who are staying quiet are just as guilty as Trump. This is slowly killing the party, and more important the concept of democracy itself.
     
    on the run-offs
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    An unprecedented amount of money and attention is pouring into Georgia ahead of the twin runoff elections for the seats now held by Sen. Kelly Loeffler and Sen. David Perdue, both Republicans, on Jan. 5. Yet amid the coming flood of campaign ads and carefully crafted messages, only one party is truly communicating the stakes of the election.

    It’s the Republicans.

    They’re the only ones reminding voters just how important this election is, because if Democrats win both seats, they’ll have a Senate majority and Joe Biden might actually be able to implement the legislative agenda he was elected on, while if Republicans win just one of the two, they’ll retain control and will almost certainly bring about an era of unprecedented obstruction.

    So what’s happening in Georgia, so far anyway, is a pair of races where the Republicans are communicating the real stakes, and the Democrats seem to want to make the race smaller......................

     
    on the run-offs
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    An unprecedented amount of money and attention is pouring into Georgia ahead of the twin runoff elections for the seats now held by Sen. Kelly Loeffler and Sen. David Perdue, both Republicans, on Jan. 5. Yet amid the coming flood of campaign ads and carefully crafted messages, only one party is truly communicating the stakes of the election.

    It’s the Republicans.

    They’re the only ones reminding voters just how important this election is, because if Democrats win both seats, they’ll have a Senate majority and Joe Biden might actually be able to implement the legislative agenda he was elected on, while if Republicans win just one of the two, they’ll retain control and will almost certainly bring about an era of unprecedented obstruction.

    So what’s happening in Georgia, so far anyway, is a pair of races where the Republicans are communicating the real stakes, and the Democrats seem to want to make the race smaller......................


    Yeah, it's still the same old story it seems. Meh.
     


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    on the run-offs
    ====================

    An unprecedented amount of money and attention is pouring into Georgia ahead of the twin runoff elections for the seats now held by Sen. Kelly Loeffler and Sen. David Perdue, both Republicans, on Jan. 5. Yet amid the coming flood of campaign ads and carefully crafted messages, only one party is truly communicating the stakes of the election.

    It’s the Republicans.

    They’re the only ones reminding voters just how important this election is, because if Democrats win both seats, they’ll have a Senate majority and Joe Biden might actually be able to implement the legislative agenda he was elected on, while if Republicans win just one of the two, they’ll retain control and will almost certainly bring about an era of unprecedented obstruction.

    So what’s happening in Georgia, so far anyway, is a pair of races where the Republicans are communicating the real stakes, and the Democrats seem to want to make the race smaller......................


    To be honest, I don't know that a lot of outside money and adds helps Democrats in southern states. At least in terms on non-presidential races. It seems to backfire more often than not. I don't really know what the winning formula is. I don't know that Democrats getting control of the Senate is a winning message in Georgia, which is why you see Republicans focusing on it so much.

    But I am interested to see if that message might actually backfire on Republicans with all of the outside money and pressure. Maybe Georgians don't like that type of manipulation from either side.
     
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    To be honest, I don't know that a lot out outside money and adds helps Democrats in southern states. At least in terms on non-presidential races. It seems to backfire more often than not. I don't really know what the winning formula is. I don't know that Democrats getting control of the Senate is a winning message in Georgia, which is why you see Republicans focusing on it so much.

    But I am interested to see if that message might actually backfire on Republicans with all of the outside money and pressure. Maybe Georgians don't like that type of manipulation from either side.

    I don't know if it was accurate, but I recall seeing a graphic a few days ago showing that like 80% of the Democrats money going into the election was coming from outside the state whereas 30-40% of Republican donations was money from outside the state. Also, of course there's the talk of people moving into the state to vote, which seems a bit over the top to me.
     
    Meanwhile in Oregon (not sure where to put this except the quote is pretty ironic and humorous)

    “We’ve watched the shift take place in Oregon politics where the primary concern of the Legislature is Northwest Oregon. That’s where 78% of the state’s population is based. They tend to forget that every law that you pass in the state affects us out in the rural economies, too,” McCarter told Fox News.
     
    Meanwhile in Oregon (not sure where to put this except the quote is pretty ironic and humorous)

    “We’ve watched the shift take place in Oregon politics where the primary concern of the Legislature is Northwest Oregon. That’s where 78% of the state’s population is based. They tend to forget that every law that you pass in the state affects us out in the rural economies, too,” McCarter told Fox News.

    As far as I'm concerned, Eastern Washington and Eastern Oregon can join Idaho if they want. But if they think they're taking a port on the Pacific, they're out of their minds.
     

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