The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (2 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     


    I don't really know the history, but is a President or candidate reaching out to canvassers a normal thing? Is it ok to do? I mean, at first blush it seems to me that candidates shouldn't have any influence on election officials and that the place to handle post-election complaints and issues are either through the normal recount/audit process as allowed for by law or in the courts. I'm surprised we're seeing things like Senator Graham talking to election officials about whatever. It's apparently legal, but the ethics and optics of this is questionable at best. Just feels dirty pool to me.
     
    I don't really know the history, but is a President or candidate reaching out to canvassers a normal thing? Is it ok to do? I mean, at first blush it seems to me that candidates shouldn't have any influence on election officials and that the place to handle post-election complaints and issues are either through the normal recount/audit process as allowed for by law or in the courts. I'm surprised we're seeing things like Senator Graham talking to election officials about whatever. It's apparently legal, but the ethics and optics of this is questionable at best. Just feels dirty pool to me.
    Certainly it's got to be exceedingly rare that the President himself reaches out to these canvassers..
     
    I don't really know the history, but is a President or candidate reaching out to canvassers a normal thing? Is it ok to do? I mean, at first blush it seems to me that candidates shouldn't have any influence on election officials and that the place to handle post-election complaints and issues are either through the normal recount/audit process as allowed for by law or in the courts. I'm surprised we're seeing things like Senator Graham talking to election officials about whatever. It's apparently legal, but the ethics and optics of this is questionable at best. Just feels dirty pool to me.


    Could you imagine the reaction from the GOP if the democrats had done something like this ?
     
    I don't really know the history, but is a President or candidate reaching out to canvassers a normal thing? Is it ok to do? I mean, at first blush it seems to me that candidates shouldn't have any influence on election officials and that the place to handle post-election complaints and issues are either through the normal recount/audit process as allowed for by law or in the courts. I'm surprised we're seeing things like Senator Graham talking to election officials about whatever. It's apparently legal, but the ethics and optics of this is questionable at best. Just feels dirty pool to me.

    Asking them to favor you, personally, in their official duties is pretty much the textbook definition of abuse of power. If it's not a felony, it should be.
    One of many actions Trump has done that should've been felonies except nobody thought an actual President would actually do them.
     
    Asking them to favor you, personally, in their official duties is pretty much the textbook definition of abuse of power. If it's not a felony, it should be.
    One of many actions Trump has done that should've been felonies except nobody thought an actual President would actually do them.

    I agree with this. Which was part of the reason I suggested in another post of codifying things like walling off the President from the intelligence agencies, strengthening the vetting process for Presidential candidates, protecting officials from arbitrary firings and stuff like that. The President has too much power at the moment and we can't have him doing an end around Congress every time he doesn't get what he wants. Our checks and balances in government are being whittled away, and it's past time that be fixed and restored.
     
    Certainly it's got to be exceedingly rare that the President himself reaches out to these canvassers..

    Add this to the list of things that need to be codified and not subject to respect for norms and tradition.

    Over the last 4 years, we've learned that we can't have a government that relies on the Chief Executive respecting traditions and norms. Now we are finding out if our elections can withstand a party that doesn't respect the norms that govern it.

    I think the jury is still out on if our Democracy will survive it, but I think it's already clear that changes need to be made. A government that relies on traditions and norms can't survive when 50% of the population doesn't respect them.
     
    Asking them to favor you, personally, in their official duties is pretty much the textbook definition of abuse of power. If it's not a felony, it should be.
    One of many actions Trump has done that should've been felonies except nobody thought an actual President would actually do them.

    I guess JE or superchuck500 can answer... Would that be coercion or duress?
     
    I swear if we get him out of office only to put him back in 2024..

    I don't know if he will actually "run" though. I could see him campaigning and doing his rally shirt for the next 3 years grifting as much money and attention as he can from his sucke...supporters and then suddenly bowing out with "health concerns"
     
    I don't know if he will actually "run" though. I could see him campaigning and doing his rally shirt for the next 3 years grifting as much money and attention as he can from his sucke...supporters and then suddenly bowing out with "health concerns"

    Yeah, I suspect he'll be too old and probably not in the best of health. But, you just know one of his kids is gonna take a swing at it.
     

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