The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (7 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    I agree - but it also means that until it happens, we should appreciate the gravity of assuming they're going to.
    I fully believe the legal challenges are going nowhere, but that's a bit beside the point. I also knew Trump would divide and destroy the country if he perceived it to be in his interest. What really makes me angry is the rest of the GOP (for the most part) willing to go along with it. They couldn't make more clear that they do not give a flying **** about the health of democracy or this country. They KNOW Trump lost, yet they're willing to damage the country by feeding the conspiracy theories of the crazies. fork McConnell, fork Graham, fork Cruz, fork ALL of these enablers. All of them would have gladly served Adolph Hitler in another place and time.
     
    I believe it's been said here before, but I ultimately believe that Trump knows the legal challenges are crap and that the primary goal is to put things in the hands of Republican legislatures.
     
    I fully believe the legal challenges are going nowhere, but that's a bit beside the point. I also knew Trump would divide and destroy the country if he perceived it to be in his interest. What really makes me angry is the rest of the GOP (for the most part) willing to go along with it. They couldn't make more clear that they do not give a flying **** about the health of democracy or this country. They KNOW Trump lost, yet they're willing to damage the country by feeding the conspiracy theories of the crazies. fork McConnell, fork Graham, fork Cruz, fork ALL of these enablers. All of them would have gladly served Adolph Hitler in another place and time.
    You know what is monumentally stupid? These people truly believe the Dems stole the election for Biden over trump. If the Dems are sooooo smart and cunning to pull this off, why did they do nothing to try and steal Congress as well?
     
    I believe it's been said here before, but I ultimately believe that Trump knows the legal challenges are crap and that the primary goal is to put things in the hands of Republican legislatures.
    If that is the plan, and it works, it's the end of this country. I think the plan is really to try to delegitimize Biden's election, which is only somewhat less dangerous.
     
    You know what is monumentally stupid? These people truly believe the Dems stole the election for Biden over trump. If the Dems are sooooo smart and cunning to pull this off, why did they do nothing to try and steal Congress as well?
    McConnell and company don't believe that - they know Trump lost. They're willing to encourage and inflame those who do believe in a stolen election, however. And no amount of reason and logic is going to convince those people otherwise. As far as I'm concerned, McConnell and company are no better than traitors.
     
    McConnell and company don't believe that - they know Trump lost. They're willing to encourage and inflame those who do believe in a stolen election, however. And no amount of reason and logic is going to convince those people otherwise. As far as I'm concerned, McConnell and company are no better than traitors.
    Agreed. I picked the wrong post to quote, my disdain is towards the trump's cult of followers outside of congress. As for his congressional enablers, they couldn't care less about anything other than maintaining their power, US Constitution be damned.
     
    And here we go...

     
    America really needs to come to grips with how terrifying close we have come to a coup.
    I don't think we came close to a coup - not really. The lawsuits are going to be dismissed and Biden will be inaugurated Jan. 20. But the damage done to the country, both here and abroad, is very real, due in large part to the selfishness and cowardice of Republican "leaders" who feel the need to feed the ego of a big baby and are scared to death of the baby's cult followers.
     

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