The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (11 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    I can’t speak for MixTape, but posting it with your comment and eye roll emoji implies you think there is a concerted effort going on. Which isn’t supported by the article. The article references a statement that has no evidence, just “reports” of people trying to collect ballots. From that vague statement we have no way to know if it even really happened, or was just a misunderstanding, let alone whether either side was responsible.

    I do think that allegations of voting irregularities are extremely serious and should be investigated fully. What we do not need is people saying something exists that doesn’t, which is why the DOJ was so roundly criticized for its own error in reporting about a week ago.
     
    I can’t speak for MixTape, but posting it with your comment and eye roll emoji implies you think there is a concerted effort going on. Which isn’t supported by the article. The article references a statement that has no evidence, just “reports” of people trying to collect ballots. From that vague statement we have no way to know if it even really happened, or was just a misunderstanding, let alone whether either side was responsible.

    I do think that allegations of voting irregularities are extremely serious and should be investigated fully. What we do not need is people saying something exists that doesn’t, which is why the DOJ was so roundly criticized for its own error in reporting about a week ago.
    Seems like that is one of the purposes of a message board. Meaning, there is this "vague" report and we discuss it in the way you just did. What seems counterproductive to that purpose are warnings by staff not to go into that area while apparently accepting innuendo that the president is going to unleash a violent army on people trying to vote (or any of the other dozens of hypotheticals/innuendos posted here each day or week).

    To be clear, I thought that post was one that didn't cross a line. But "army" is often used in that context and was regularly used in describing Obama's campaign volunteers.
     
    It also may be that his post was the second one from him in pretty quick succession seeming to push that democrats are “stealing” the election which is a type of disinformation meant to undermine our election, whereas the “army” post pretty much got fact checked right away. I remember posting that there wasn't anything nefarious about Trump’s army website pretty soon after it was posted.
     
    I did that Friday and still haven't received a response.
    as a Mod from another site... Then add Andrus or Richard to that PM. These types of things aren't often resolved quickly. And if you haven't noticed around here, the mods seem to be less active here than on SR.

    Even though, Andrus may be busy here in the next coming days with Delta bearing down.
     
    After reading the article, it sounds like he dumped mail, over 2000 pieces.

    Some of those were ballots, 99 of them. Which were not delivered - as in not filled out.

    The guy is probably overworked from all
    The cuts they have been faced with and dumped mail.

    Voter fraud? Nah.
     
    I guess I am different. I consider throwing ballots in a dumpster that were suppose to be delivered to the voter as election fraud.
    If it was just ballots, that might be true. It's just neglecting his job at this point. Election ballots were collateral damage. It would be the equivalent of calling Trump a murderer for woefully neglecting Covid-19 when he just neglected his job.
     
    If they would have been filled out then you would be correct, that’s voter fraud.

    This is mail fraud. I don’t think anyone is downplaying the seriousness of what happened. The person is going to go to jail.

    I just don’t think you can put a spin on this that the voting system is flawed because of this. Those people would have known their ballots didn’t show up. If NJ is like Oregon, where we have 100% mail-in and have for years, we know to contact the voting board if our ballot is not received by us within 7 days of being mailed- a date that the state promotes tirelessly. Moreover, I can go online and look. If my ballot was mailed to me and 4 days have passed I am instructed to contact the Board.
     
    I guess I am different. I consider throwing ballots in a dumpster that were suppose to be delivered to the voter as election fraud.
    Sure, but minuscule and not intentional. Also, all of that mail was recovered and delivered.

    I guess it could count as some sort of incidental voter suppression. However, the article didnt state what charges he was facing.
     
    I guess I am different. I consider throwing ballots in a dumpster that were suppose to be delivered to the voter as election fraud.

    Yep you're differnt


    You will be happy to know that the postal worker was arrested ( not for election fraud, but for obstruction/delay/detention of mail )

    AND

    Those 99 ballots are ON THEIR WAY to the intended recipients.

    Just like it supposed to work HORRAY BEER!
     
    Jeff Landry is suing Mark Zuckerberg's non-profit to keep them from giving grants to local election officials in Louisiana to use for the increased costs of running elections during a pandemic.



    Dude is scum. Can't believe the idiot will probably run for governor and win. Louisiana is screwed...
     

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