The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (5 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    The entire Trump Administration has been weaponized to help Trump win this election. It’s illegal and unethical but here we are because Republicans refuse to hold Trump accountable and democrats lack the power in the Senate and the will in the House.

    If we get Trump out, and retain our representative democracy, we have some work to do to rebalance the government. It’s totally out of whack.
     
    Interesting

    Why are they trying to make a distinction between mail in voting and absentee voting?

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    Robocalls sent by Trump campaign surrogates Kimberly Guilfoyle and the President's daughter-in-law Lara Trump are encouraging Republican voters to use absentee ballots to vote in November, calling them one of the "best ways" to support President Trump in November.

    Both calls attempt to draw a false distinction between absentee voting and other forms of mail-in voting. Guilfoyle's call goes so far as to claim the "radical left" wants to "confuse you" on mail-in voting and that "Democrats want to scare you away from voting absentee."

    "Absentee voting and universal vote-by-mail may sound similar but could not be more different," says Guilfoyle. "Absentee voting is safe, secure and supported by President Trump. The radical left wants universal vote-by-mail, which is proven to be filled with fraud, abuse and mistakes."

    None of those assertions about vote-by-mail are true..........

     
    They'll take votes anyway possible. The attacks against mail-in voting are purely for optics. On the subject, I cringe every time I hear these stories of how 100,000 or so ballots are invalid because the people submitting them forgot to put them in the inner privacy envelope. It's not rocket science, people!
     
    Trump has been laying the rhetorical ground work and building a legal team to challenge the counting of mail-in ballot votes versus absentee ballot votes. So it makes sense they are doing everything they can to persuade their voters who are going to vote by mail to use absentee ballots instead of regular mail-in ballots.

    There's an actual voter suppression plan in action in regards to the constant rhetorical assault on mail-in ballots.
     
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    The tax news breaking got me thinking

    If someone mails in their ballot as soon as they can and afterwards a bombshell drops that is serious enough makes them want to change their vote (Trump paid for 30 abortions, Biden really was a pedophile) is there anything that they can do?

    or are they just SOL?
     
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    The tax news breaking got me thinking

    If someone mails in their ballot as soon as they can and afterwards a bombshell drops that is serious enough makes them want to change their vote (Trump paid for 30 abortions, Biden is really was a pedophile) is there anything that they can do?

    or are they just SOL?
    I know you are SOL in Nebraska. You can submit a provisional ballot but that is in the unlikelihood your mailed in one didn’t make it or can’t be found.
     
    Sounds about right
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    (CNN) - Texas Gov. Greg Abbott issued a proclamation Thursday limiting the amount of drop-off locations for mail-in ballots to one site per county.


    The move significantly affects the Democratic stronghold of Harris County, which is the state's largest county by population -- one of the most populous in the country -- and covers a massive area.

    It must now reduce its 11 drop-off locations down to one starting on Friday. Travis County, which includes the reliably Democratic city of Austin, must limit its four drop-off locations to one........

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/politics/texas-governor-drop-off-locations-ballots/index.html
     
    Sounds about right
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    (CNN) - Texas Gov. Greg Abbott issued a proclamation Thursday limiting the amount of drop-off locations for mail-in ballots to one site per county.


    The move significantly affects the Democratic stronghold of Harris County, which is the state's largest county by population -- one of the most populous in the country -- and covers a massive area.

    It must now reduce its 11 drop-off locations down to one starting on Friday. Travis County, which includes the reliably Democratic city of Austin, must limit its four drop-off locations to one........

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/politics/texas-governor-drop-off-locations-ballots/index.html

    Downright terrible. And considering the courts there, lawsuits will do nothing.
     
    Sounds about right
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    (CNN) - Texas Gov. Greg Abbott issued a proclamation Thursday limiting the amount of drop-off locations for mail-in ballots to one site per county.


    The move significantly affects the Democratic stronghold of Harris County, which is the state's largest county by population -- one of the most populous in the country -- and covers a massive area.

    It must now reduce its 11 drop-off locations down to one starting on Friday. Travis County, which includes the reliably Democratic city of Austin, must limit its four drop-off locations to one........

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/politics/texas-governor-drop-off-locations-ballots/index.html
    Just wait until he start closing polling stations 3 weeks from today. These people aren't even trying to mask their intensions anymore, it's the Republican way.
     
    Absentee ballots are starting to be mailed out in Louisiana now. My mom just got hers after making a request a few weeks ago.
     
    Sounds about right
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    (CNN) - Texas Gov. Greg Abbott issued a proclamation Thursday limiting the amount of drop-off locations for mail-in ballots to one site per county.


    The move significantly affects the Democratic stronghold of Harris County, which is the state's largest county by population -- one of the most populous in the country -- and covers a massive area.

    It must now reduce its 11 drop-off locations down to one starting on Friday. Travis County, which includes the reliably Democratic city of Austin, must limit its four drop-off locations to one........

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/politics/texas-governor-drop-off-locations-ballots/index.html
    Any conservatives want to chime in with the “legitimate” reason for reducing 11 drop-offs down to one?
     

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