The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (1 Viewer)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    Yeah, I'd end up catching some contempt charges for them to pile on top after flipping out on the judge during sentencing.

    6 YEARS for trying to participate in the American political process? You get less time for some violent felonies.

    No one involved in January 6 has gotten six years. But yet this person who voted one some authority poses a greater risk to democracy and must be punished?
     
    Yeah, I'd end up catching some contempt charges for them to pile on top after flipping out on the judge during sentencing.

    6 YEARS for trying to participate in the American political process? You get less time for some violent felonies.

    As posted on EE
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    CHICAGO (AP) — Ex-Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke is set leave prison on Thursday after being locked up less than four years, and in the city that witnessed the historic murder conviction of the first officer for an on-duty shooting in a half century, that release is seen as another chapter in a troubling history of race and policing.

    Among many there was hope that Van Dyke’s 2018 conviction of second-degree murder and 16 counts of aggravated battery signaled a willingness to hold officers accountable. But word that he’s being set free after serving about three years and four months of his sentence of six years and nine months has turned McDonald, and them, into victims again.

     
    the Trump voters who committed fraud in PA didn’t get jail time, did they?
     
    As posted on EE
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    CHICAGO (AP) — Ex-Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke is set leave prison on Thursday after being locked up less than four years, and in the city that witnessed the historic murder conviction of the first officer for an on-duty shooting in a half century, that release is seen as another chapter in a troubling history of race and policing.

    Among many there was hope that Van Dyke’s 2018 conviction of second-degree murder and 16 counts of aggravated battery signaled a willingness to hold officers accountable. But word that he’s being set free after serving about three years and four months of his sentence of six years and nine months has turned McDonald, and them, into victims again.

    I'm not going to talk out of both sides of my mouth when it comes to the prison system. It sucks that a cop isn't held to a higher standard than the rest of society though. If you get a conviction on a state felony, you'll do DOC time in a state/state contracted facility and you're rewarded for "good time" which isn't really hard to achieve. Good time means you don't assault or try to murder anyone else. Good time typically turns out to be a little more than a third of the time you were sentenced to. 10 years in DOC time in LA will typically be around 4 years - and that's fine with me. So this Peice of work cop was an ideal prisoner and worked the system just like the rest of us can. Federal time isn't like this though. If you get convicted of a federal felony, you are doing at least 80% of that sentence, with 100% being pretty typical. Cops and other public servants who get convicted of a crime should have to do their time on the federal schedule.
     
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    Well of course. The problem with Republicans is that they know how to gain and are clearly NOT afraid to wield power.
    The problem with Democrats is that they don't and are.
     
    I thought the libs were all about law and order these days and only Cons were guilty of voter fraud?
     
    Either or both. Farb. No matter how much you want it to be true, the majority of voters voted for the other guy. They rejected Trump and all that he stands for.
     
    Fair point. Apparently our pollical parties only believe elections are fair when they win.

    "Fair"? Eh, depends on what you think 'fair' really means. Like is it fair for someone to win the Presidency while getting millions fewer votes?

    "Legitimate" however...there's only one party saying our elections aren't legitimate.
    No 'both sides' garbage here. Hillary conceded and Obama dutifully relinquished the position because however bullshirt they felt the affair to be, they knew it was legitimate.
     
    I thought Trump was not y'alls president?

    Did Stacey Abrams concede her defeat? She didn't. So yeah, 'both sides' garabage is absolutely at play here.
     
    I thought Trump was not y'alls president?

    Did Stacey Abrams concede her defeat? She didn't. So yeah, 'both sides' garabage is absolutely at play here.

    Nobody conspired in an insurrection to try and get Hillary Clinton into office over Trump. Nobody.

    To answer your question, Yes she did. Stacey Abrams accepted that she lost. You've lost this argument.

    Republican Brian Kemp will be the next governor of Georgia, with Democrat Stacey Abrams admitting Friday afternoon that there was no path to victory, following a bitter 10-day battle since Election Day.

    "I acknowledge that former Secretary of State Brian Kemp will be certified as the victor in the 2018 gubernatorial election," Abrams said. "But to watch an elected official who claims to represent the people in this state baldly pin his hopes for election on suppression of the people's democratic right to vote has been truly appalling."
     

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