The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (1 Viewer)

Lapaz

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There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
 

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Due Diligence went out the window over a month ago.

The only case they actually could have made, was about PA changing the rules on absentee ballots the wrong way. But they should have made that case a year ago.

That's 100% true...and, even if not, they would have a hard time making the case that somehow the ballots cast in that way were not made in good faith and should be discarded.
 

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Yes, that’s the important thing that seems to be lost. The remedy being asked for in all these lawsuits is truly radical. In the US we just don’t take away people’s votes frivolously. No sane judge is going to go for that. It really is completely un-American the way these lawyers have just honed in on denying votes from people who voted in good faith by the methods that were made available to them. Just a staggering amount of malevolence toward American’s rights.
 

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Adam Gase thinks these guys are losers

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Apparently this happened. To me this seems like some kind of retaliation coinciding with what trump has been crying about


The Democrat, Jim Brewster, had defeated his GOP opponent Nicole Ziccarelli in his bid to represent Allegheny County, an area that includes Pittsburgh. Although the race was a close one, state officials certified Brewster’s win last year.

Upon Pennsylvania lawmakers’ return to the state Capitol in Harrisburg, where they were to be sworn in for a two-year term, the scene quickly dissolved into mayhem. Democrats loudly protested the Republicans’ decision not to seat Brewster, leading to Republicans voting to oust John Fetterman, the Democratic lieutenant governor, as the senate’s presiding officer.
 

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Apparently this happened. To me this seems like some kind of retaliation coinciding with what trump has been crying about


The Democrat, Jim Brewster, had defeated his GOP opponent Nicole Ziccarelli in his bid to represent Allegheny County, an area that includes Pittsburgh. Although the race was a close one, state officials certified Brewster’s win last year.

Upon Pennsylvania lawmakers’ return to the state Capitol in Harrisburg, where they were to be sworn in for a two-year term, the scene quickly dissolved into mayhem. Democrats loudly protested the Republicans’ decision not to seat Brewster, leading to Republicans voting to oust John Fetterman, the Democratic lieutenant governor, as the senate’s presiding officer.


It is all about "winning" - not about doing their job of governing the state where they were elected. They behave like a teenage schoolyard bullying mob... I hope their voters take notes.
 

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Trumps in training. Thuggish behavior. Meanwhile, Pelosi seated a Republican Representative who won his race by 6 or 7 votes, even though his opponent has filed an objection that is going to court.
 

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It is all about "winning" - not about doing their job of governing the state where they were elected. They behave like a teenage schoolyard bullying mob... I hope their voters take notes.

Their voters, who are basically a schoolyard bully mob, are taking notes. This is exactly what they want.
 

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Apparently this happened. To me this seems like some kind of retaliation coinciding with what trump has been crying about


The Democrat, Jim Brewster, had defeated his GOP opponent Nicole Ziccarelli in his bid to represent Allegheny County, an area that includes Pittsburgh. Although the race was a close one, state officials certified Brewster’s win last year.

Upon Pennsylvania lawmakers’ return to the state Capitol in Harrisburg, where they were to be sworn in for a two-year term, the scene quickly dissolved into mayhem. Democrats loudly protested the Republicans’ decision not to seat Brewster, leading to Republicans voting to oust John Fetterman, the Democratic lieutenant governor, as the senate’s presiding officer.
The "State's Rights" party is hoping for the Federal government to overturn the ruling of the State's Supreme Court?
 

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They tried to play it off as a settlement, they drop the suits and get to look at the state’s confidential voting records. GA SOS said there’s no agreement to give them anything, lol.
 

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