The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (12 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    So what’s this? The Trump Campaign taking shots at Lin Wood? For urging Trump supporters not to vote in the GA runoff or something else?


    the real story here is that Wood is by no means a Republican and there is no record in Georgia of him ever voting for President Trump—in 2016 or in 2020—in the Republican primaries

    Uh... no one has a record of who they voted for. That's the point.
     
    So why is it that when there actually are voter fraud stories, they typically involve Republicans? There's this story. The guy in Pennsylvania. That representative from Missouri or wherever. The Scott Walker thing. Etc.

     
    Uh... no one has a record of who they voted for. That's the point.

    That's A point, but I don't think it's the point that the "Trump War Room" is trying to make. Why are they attacking Wood?

    You're right though, there's no "records" that would give them that information. Perhaps they're referring to federal campaign contribution records - and frankly, it's hard to imagine someone contributing to the campaign of one party's candidate but then voting for someone else.
     


    That is just staggering....

    From the case filing against the state of Wisconsin:

    " The evidence shows not only that Defendants failed to administer the November 3, 2020 election in compliance with the manner prescribed by the Georgia legislature, but that Defendants committed a scheme and artifice to fraudulently and illegally manipulate the vote count to make certain the election of Joe Biden as President of the United States. This conduct violated Plaintiffs’ equal protection and due process rights as well their rights under Wisconsin law"

    Apparently, Wisconsin didn't follow the voting procedures specified by the Georgia legislature.
     
    Ok, I have a question for the legal experts out there. After reading that article about Sidney Powell's blunders and missteps, the very last thing in the article was jarring for me. I was wondering if this is the kind of action that could/should result in some kind of discipline for her.

    Short version. The filing claims that the Georgia Secretary of State issued a certificate to Dominion systems to use their voting machines in the state, but that the certificate was not dated. A copy of the undated certificate was attached to the filing. However, the certificate is available online at the Georgia SOS website, and it is signed and dated. Whoever, attached the certificate to the court filing cut off the bottom half of the page.
     
    Ok, I have a question for the legal experts out there. After reading that article about Sidney Powell's blunders and missteps, the very last thing in the article was jarring for me. I was wondering if this is the kind of action that could/should result in some kind of discipline for her.

    Short version. The filing claims that the Georgia Secretary of State issued a certificate to Dominion systems to use their voting machines in the state, but that the certificate was not dated. A copy of the undated certificate was attached to the filing. However, the certificate is available online at the Georgia SOS website, and it is signed and dated. Whoever, attached the certificate to the court filing cut off the bottom half of the page.

    Is the signature or the date it was signed at issue or something they make argument about? Is it a material alteration?
     
    Is the signature or the date it was signed at issue or something they make argument about? Is it a material alteration?
    Yes. Their claim in the filing is that the certificate was undated.

    " Defendants Kemp and Raffensperger rushed through the purchase of Dominion voting machines and software in 2019 for the 2020 Presidential Election4. A certificate from the Secretary of State was awarded to Dominion Voting Systems but is undated. (See attached hereto Exh. 5, copy Certification for Dominion Voting Systems from Secretary of State). "

    They also claim that the test report, signed by Michael Walker is undated, but the date August 7, 2019 clearly appears just below the signatures of Mr. Walk and Ms. Owens, the other project manager.
     
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    This is a great parody of that blonde woman who definitely had a starring role in yesterday's clown show.



    ETA: This woman (the real one) is named Melissa Carone. She's currently trending on Twitter. Besides her bombshell "testimony" yesterday in Michigan, it appears she went on Lou Dobbs to lie some more. I haven't found the extent of her lies, but it looks like she told Ol' Lou that she had to take down her social media accounts without knowing that her FB was set to public at the time and, of course, the internet had found that out like 3 seconds after she made the claim. I'm about to go down the Melissa Carone rabbit hole on twitter for a few minutes. Seems like a good time.
     
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    The internet is undefeated. These people are awesome. I want a reality show to follow these kooks after all this is over.

    The one dude can be a ghost hunter (Biden) in search of mythical laptops and voter fraud

    The crazy lady from Michigan can be a Real Housewife of Lansing, or Dearborn or wherever she comes from she can throw wine glasses at judges and find voter fraud

    Rudy and the nut ball Kraken lady can do an Unsolved Mysteries and find Sasquatch. And voter fraud.
     
    The internet is undefeated. These people are awesome. I want a reality show to follow these kooks after all this is over.

    The one dude can be a ghost hunter (Biden) in search of mythical laptops and voter fraud

    The crazy lady from Michigan can be a Real Housewife of Lansing, or Dearborn or wherever she comes from she can throw wine glasses at judges and find voter fraud

    Rudy and the nut ball Kraken lady can do an Unsolved Mysteries and find Sasquatch. And voter fraud.

    I don't know. I'm really not finding this funny anymore.
     
    Yes. Their claim in the filing is that the certificate was undated.

    " Defendants Kemp and Raffensperger rushed through the purchase of Dominion voting machines and software in 2019 for the 2020 Presidential Election4. A certificate from the Secretary of State was awarded to Dominion Voting Systems but is undated. (See attached hereto Exh. 5, copy Certification for Dominion Voting Systems from Secretary of State). "

    They also claim that the test report, signed by Michael Walker is undated, but the date August 7, 2019 clearly appears just below the signatures of Mr. Walk and Ms. Owens, the other project manager.

    Deliberately altering a document filed as an exhibit is sanctionable (by the court). It's possible, though, that the version they have actually was unsigned for a time or an unsigned version was included in some document or set of documents that they obtained.

    It could potentially support disciplinary action by the bar, but I think for that kind of thing, the better recourse is by the court in the case in which it happened. A really eggregious example or an attorney that has a pattern of being sanctioned could face bar discipline, I suppose.
     

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