The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (12 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    No she can't, only the voters can remove them via recall. Not sure if the legislature can impeach an official tho. That may vary from state to state.

    Can you link that? I thought I read or heard that she could, just that they'd have to be Republicans.

    ETA: found it. She can remove members...

    At the same time, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, has the power to remove and replace any board member, according to Michigan law, and can act without waiting for a court or anyone else. This would be a very politically complicated move for Whitmer to pursue.

     
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    Can you link that? I thought I read or heard that she could, just that they'd have to be Republicans.

    ETA: found it. She can remove members...




    I thought we we talking about state reps. Nevermind then.
     
    The Trump Campaign response:




    In other words


    I mean it's really weird that the most socialist president of all time would appoint a staunch Republican Judge, whose a member of the Federalist Society, to a Federal seat. Obama must have been playing that 4D chess trumpist are always talking about.
     
    I'll admit that I'm not a man of faith...I have my reasons, but when I see people like this, I say to myself that they don't believe in God and they think any one that really does is dumb...reason being there is no way these people believe that there is a GOOD omnipotent/all powerful being that knows all of their thoughts and that can see all of their actions and in turn go out and lie brazenly all while claiming to be a person of God on behalf of an obviously ungodly meatbag...it doesn't pass the sniff test.
     
    I'll admit that I'm not a man of faith...I have my reasons, but when I see people like this, I say to myself that they don't believe in God and they think any one that really does is dumb...reason being there is no way these people believe that there is a GOOD omnipotent/all powerful being that knows all of their thoughts and that can see all of their actions and in turn go out and lie brazenly all while claiming to be a person of God on behalf of an obviously ungodly meatbag...it doesn't pass the sniff test.

    It does kinda give atheists a bad name that there are so many of us trolling the rubes like that.

    The profession of shaman has many advantages. It offers high status with a safe livelihood free of work in the dreary, sweaty sense. In most societies it offers legal privileges and immunities not granted to other men. But it is hard to see how a man who has been given a mandate from on High to spread tidings of joy to all mankind can be seriously interested in taking up a collection to pay his salary; it causes one to suspect that the shaman is on the moral level of any other con man. But it is a lovely work if you can stomach it.
    - RAH
     
    Such ungrateful treatment — don’t they know he’s the President who did more for black people than everyone except (maybe) Abraham Lincoln?

     
    It does kinda give atheists a bad name that there are so many of us trolling the rubes like that.


    - RAH
    That quote is a bit oversimplified and seems to be a wholesale, absolute broadside on "religious types"-shamans, Druids, Old Testament prophets, Greco-Roman philosophers, or medieval natural law philosophers like Occam or Anselm's Natural Philosophy. Let's not pretend like its all one, big elaborate con job that BS and ridiculous, irregardless. Use should read Julius Ceaser Gaelic Commentaries, he goes into great detail about the pivotal role ancient Druids played in pre-Roman Britain as law givers, seers, natural philosophers, officiating weddings, presiding over funerals and open air religious winter/summer solstice festivals.

    Many of the religious laws, edicts or legal observations written by Old Testament prophets and priests like The Ten Commandments, Torah, Judiaca in secular form the basic foundation of Western legal and philosophical tradition and establishments in our legal, justice and political systems in Europe, North and South America.
     
    Such ungrateful treatment — don’t they know he’s the President who did more for black people than everyone except (maybe) Abraham Lincoln?

    Good for them.
     
    meanwhile in Wisconsin


    MILWAUKEE (AP) — Election officials in Wisconsin’s largest county accused observers for President Donald Trump on Saturday of seeking to obstruct a recount of the presidential results, in some instances by objecting to every ballot tabulators pulled to count.
     

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