The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (3 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[Neworleansfan]

If Hilary, Janet, and Pete can do it, why not Hegseth? Again, first amendment rights and all. Plus the fact that “presidential appointees senate approved” (PAS) can get a special pass from the Hatch Act.

They are not the SecofDef.

 

[Sendai]

They are not the SecofDef.

They are cabinet members. The same rules apply to all cabinet members.

These are the rules outlined by the Office of Special Counsel

“Federal Employees: Presidential Appointees with Senate Confirmation

I am an employee who was appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate (PAS). Am I covered by the Hatch Act?​

Yes. An employee appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate (PAS), is subject to the provisions of the Hatch Act. However, certain PAS's are not subject to the Act's prohibition against engaging in political activity while on duty, in a federal room or building, wearing an official uniform or insignia, or using a government vehicle. To be exempt from this prohibition, a PAS must meet all of the following criteria:

1. the duties and responsibilities of his position must continue outside normal duty hours and while away from the normal duty post;
2. his position must be located within the United States; and
3. he must determine policies to be pursued by the United States in relations with foreign powers or in the nationwide administration of federal laws.

If a PAS meets all these criteria, he is not prohibited from engaging in political activity while on duty, in a federal room or building, wearing an official uniform or insignia, or using a government vehicle, provided the costs associated with the political activity are not paid for by money derived from the Treasury of the United States. However, the PAS remains subject to all the other prohibitions of the Hatch Act, and thus, may not: use his official authority or influence for the purpose of interfering with or affecting the result of an election; knowingly solicit, accept, or receive a political contribution from any person; be a candidate for public office in a partisan election; or knowingly solicit or discourage the political activity of any person who has business before the employee's employing office.”

 

[Sendai]

This doesn’t apply to the DoD which has stricter ethics rules.
MAGA can’t never admit that they are wrong. Wonder why that is. lol.

Hegseth’s Kentucky Campaign Rally Against Massie Raises Legal Questions

Did the defense secretary violate Pentagon political activity rules for restricted officials?

www.military.com

It applies to cabinet members and others appointed by the president and senate approved. And the question is Hatch Act. Not DoD. And DoD is not legislative.

 

[Neworleansfan]

Trump obfuscation defensive A.I.

Stop engaging the program

I am taking your advice.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It applies to cabinet members and others appointed by the president and senate approved. And the question is Hatch Act. Not DoD. And DoD is not legislative.

Is it possible for the DOD (or any cabinet-level department) to have stricter rules?

 

[MT15]

If Hilary, Janet, and Pete can do it, why not Hegseth? Again, first amendment rights and all. Plus the fact that “presidential appointees senate approved” (PAS) can get a special pass from the Hatch Act.

So, you don’t know? Or you’re unwilling to say, more likely. No, the Secretary of Defense doesn’t normally participate in any political events or rallies. I’m not sure it has ever happened before.

Can you guess why that might be? Do you think it’s a good idea for the Secretary of Defense to be a political player?

 

[Maxp]

Remember when Obama had a Republican secretary of defense?

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Trump obfuscation defensive A.I.

Stop engaging the program

It's going to keep posting lies for Republicans even if we don't engage it.

It's better to constantly speak the truth to the constant lies than to let them be told without correction.

You're free to not engage. Stop asking others not to engage.

 

[Neworleansfan]

It applies to cabinet members and others appointed by the president and senate approved. And the question is Hatch Act. Not DoD. And DoD is not legislative.

It doesn’t apply to the SecDef who is part of the DoD since the DoD has stricter rules regarding the Hatch Act.
Anyway, you’re basically just trolling now instead of engaging.

 

[Neworleansfan]

Remember when Obama had a Republican secretary of defense?

Two: Robert Gates and Chuck Hagel.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Hatch Act FAQs | U.S. Office of Special Counsel

The U.S. Office of Special Counsel (OSC) is an independent federal investigative and prosecutorial agency. OSC's statutory authority comes from four federal laws: the Civil Service Reform Act, the Whistleblower Protection Act, the Hatch Act, and the Uniformed Services Employment & Reemployment...

www.osc.gov

From the Office of the Special Counsel. It’s all in there.

Especially the exemption for PAS

The quote from your source below is why you try to hide your sources by not providing links.

You are wrong. Your own source told you that you are wrong. In your repeated and constant "quoting" of your source, you kept intentionally cutting out the highlighted part below, because it directly contradicts your false claims.

Hegseth saying he's not speaking as the Secretary of Defense does not exempt him from the highlighted part above, because every cabinent member is acting as a cabinet member 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

By saying he was not speaking as the Secretary of Defense, he actually reminded everyone that he was the Secretary of Defense and invoked the fact that he was the Secretary of Defense before speaking. That is a clear cut case of Hegseth breaking the law as laid out in the Hatch Act according to your own source that you quoted.

Are you going to continue to be dishonest about this?

 

[Sendai]

So, you don’t know? Or you’re unwilling to say, more likely. No, the Secretary of Defense doesn’t normally participate in any political events or rallies. I’m not sure it has ever happened before.

Can you guess why that might be? Do you think it’s a good idea for the Secretary of Defense to be a political player?

Same question could asked of Secretary of State.

Again, what I’ve posted from the office of the special counsel says cabinet members can endorse and campaign. Can’t deprive them of their first amendment rights.

 

[Sendai]

The quote from your source below is why you try to hide your sources by not providing links.

You are wrong. Your own source told you that you are wrong. In your repeated and constant "quoting" of your source, you kept intentionally cutting out the highlighted part below, because it directly contradicts your false claims.

Hegseth saying he's not speaking as the Secretary of Defense does not exempt him from the highlighted part above, because every cabinent member is acting as a cabinet member 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

By saying he was not speaking as the Secretary of Defense, he actually reminded everyone that he was the Secretary of Defense and invoked the fact that he was the Secretary of Defense before speaking. That is a clear cut case of Hegseth breaking the law as laid out in the Hatch Act according to your own source that you quoted.

Are you going to continue to be dishonest about this?

This is what permits him to endorse and campaign.

“However, certain PAS's are not subject to the Act's prohibition against engaging in political activity while on duty, in a federal room or building, wearing an official uniform or insignia, or using a government vehicle. To be exempt from this prohibition, a PAS must meet all of the following criteria:

1. the duties and responsibilities of his position must continue outside normal duty hours and while away from the normal duty post;
2. his position must be located within the United States; and
3. he must determine policies to be pursued by the United States in relations with foreign powers or in the nationwide administration of federal laws.”

Yes, he is subject to all other prohibitions but not endorsing and campaigning.

 

[faceman]

Hegseth’s Kentucky Campaign Rally Against Massie Raises Legal Questions

Did the defense secretary violate Pentagon political activity rules for restricted officials?

www.military.com

Critics argue that the administration’s “personal capacity” explanation fails for two separate reasons. First, the rally was openly partisan and designed to influence an election. Trump himself publicly framed the campaign against Massie as part of a broader effort against Republican dissenters.

Second, the event was publicly framed around Hegseth’s governmental authority. Although the formal America First Works release referred to him as "The Honorable Pete Hegseth," public promotion of the rally repeatedly identified him as "Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth."

The appearance was not presented as a speech by a private Republican activist. The office itself was central to the event’s political value, which makes the administration’s "personal capacity" defense appear increasingly formalistic rather than substantive

 

[MT15]

Same question could asked of Secretary of State.

Again, what I’ve posted from the office of the special counsel says cabinet members can endorse and campaign. Can’t deprive them of their first amendment rights.

No it couldn’t. I don’t know what to tell you if you have no issue with politicizing the military. Can’t get more authoritarian than that. There’s good reason this has been simply not done until now. The military should never align with a political party and this is just one more example of things previous admins had enough sense to do voluntarily but will now have to be put into writing because of you and people like Trump. If we get a chance to ever do so. Playing with fire and you don’t even care.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

This is what permits him to endorse and campaign.

“However, certain PAS's are not subject to the Act's prohibition against engaging in political activity while on duty, in a federal room or building, wearing an official uniform or insignia, or using a government vehicle. To be exempt from this prohibition, a PAS must meet all of the following criteria:


Yes, he is subject to all other prohibitions but not endorsing and campaigning.

Is it possible for the DOD (or any cabinet-level department) to have stricter rules, such as those already posted that you keep ignoring?

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Again, what I’ve posted from the office of the special counsel says cabinet members can endorse and campaign. Can’t deprive them of their first amendment rights.

I've shown you in your own source that cabinet members can not campaign for anyone under the Hatch Act.

You've clearly chosen dishonesty.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Below is what Send AI keeps falsely claiming gives cabinet members the right to campaign. It does not say they can campaign for someone else. Either he's being intentionally dishonest or he has reading comprehension problems.

Right below what Send AI keeps quoting, it clearly states that the exemptions being quoted do not include campaigning for someone. It's the part that's highlighted below.

Campaigning for a candidate is an attempt to affect the result of an election. The exemptions that Send AI keeps quoting do not include campaigning for someone. That is prohibited by the Hatch Act.