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    Beach Friends said:
    That article is worth reading if for no other reason it contains links to sources that debunk some of the more common claims asserted against Trump. Perhaps if people took a look at that we would not see those claims repeated.
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    I don't know about the second claim there but without seeing the ad itself I'd argue (and have been) that claims one and three are not really false.
     
    Brandon13 said:
    I don't know about the second claim there but without seeing the ad itself I'd argue (and have been) that claims one and three are not really false.
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    Here are the links in the article about the 'hoax' claim/1st claim:
    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trump-and-the-new-hoax/

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ch-biden-video-twists-trumps-words-coronavir/

    https://checkyourfact.com/2020/02/29/fact-check-donald-trump-coronavirus-hoax-south-carolina-rally/

    And here is a part of the original article in regards to the 3rd claim:

    "Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar declared a public health emergency for the coronavirus on January 31 and announced on that day that travel restrictions would be placed on those coming to the U.S. from China, which would being on February 2.

    The biggest blow to the ad’s credibility is that the man Biden has made the center of his own coronavirus response, former Obama White House Ebola Response Coordinator Ron Klain, was saying as early as January 30 that Azar was taking “wise steps” to combat the virus."
     
    Farb said:
    Here are the links in the article about the 'hoax' claim/1st claim:
    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trump-and-the-new-hoax/

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ch-biden-video-twists-trumps-words-coronavir/

    https://checkyourfact.com/2020/02/29/fact-check-donald-trump-coronavirus-hoax-south-carolina-rally/
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    I think my post in another thread basically applies to this and sums up my feeling on it:
    Brandon13 said:
    If I said the NFL was a hoax after the Saints got screwed in that championship game a couple years ago, would you take my words to mean that I'm exclusively/literally saying the NFL does not exist, or maybe something different?

    It's not wrong to say that Trump called this coronavirus thing a hoax, because he did. He wasn't saying the virus does not actually exist, but he was saying the coronavirus didn't appear to be that big of a deal when compared with the flu and that the Democrats were simply making it a big issue to go after him. That it was a big hoax.
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    Farb said:
    And here is a part of the original article in regards to the 3rd claim:

    "Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar declared a public health emergency for the coronavirus on January 31 and announced on that day that travel restrictions would be placed on those coming to the U.S. from China, which would being on February 2.

    The biggest blow to the ad’s credibility is that the man Biden has made the center of his own coronavirus response, former Obama White House Ebola Response Coordinator Ron Klain, was saying as early as January 30 that Azar was taking “wise steps” to combat the virus."
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    On January 31st and February 2nd he did take some wise steps. And then for the rest of February he didn't take many more of them that could have helped while he was dismissive of the impact of the virus even as it became clearer to anyone willing to see it that the virus was a serious threat. That was our chance to put ourselves in a better position today and we didn't take advantage.
     
    Brandon13 said:
    I think my post in another thread basically applies to this and sums up my feeling on it:

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    On January 31st and February 2nd he did take some wise steps. And then for the rest of February he didn't take many more of them that could have helped while he was dismissive of the impact of the virus even as it became clearer to anyone willing to see it that the virus was a serious threat. That was our chance to put ourselves in a better position today and we didn't take advantage.
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    So ya think?

    I think the total lack of taking the lead in all of this or even stepping out of the way right now is gonna kill thousands of unnecessary people.
     
    V Chip said:
    I've LOLed at many of your posts. You'd have to quote the one you find offensive so I'll know which one. I mean, I thought you saying Trump has been criticized more than any President in your lifetime when you're barely younger than me to be quite laughable, but you didn't mention anything about dying.

    As I've said to others, as long as there are reaction emojis I'll use those when I feel an actual reply simply saying "this is a ridiculous statement" or "oh come on, you can't be serious?" will just be ignored or worse. I see reactions by people on all over the board that are never backed up with a reply. Why does it seem mine cause such consternation among the conservatives?

    EDIT: I went back and found it, and I missed the part where you said you almost died this year. Rest assured, I'm not LOLing at that. I'm a bleeding-heart liberal for goodness sake! :)

    So for clarity, I LOLed at this quote (I went back to the post from a reply to your post that quoted this same part, so mea culpa for not reading the whole post):
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    Fair enough.
    Except I’m not a conservative or Republican and you’ve caused me no consternation, if you didn’t direct that at my brush with death.
    I‘m just not into socialism. Simple as that.
    Emoji away.
     
    The moose said:
    So ya think?

    I think the total lack of taking the lead in all of this or even stepping out of the way right now is gonna kill thousands of unnecessary people.
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    So, so much this. Nobody with any credibility can defend this administration’s response to Covid19. We have shirt the bed at every turn. From the testing to completely squandering the two month head start we were given. From the lack of any planning to the wild careens in policy. We have experts, we have the means to get ahead of this, but they aren’t being allowed to do their jobs. Right now we are so very far behind where we could have been, it should be considered criminal negligence.

    Trump is directly responsible for needless deaths, and for that matter needless economic destruction, since that seems to be what really matters to him. All while he publicly pats himself on the back for what he describes as a “10”.

    He is mentally ill and a danger to this country.
     
    MT15 said:
    So, so much this. Nobody with any credibility can defend this administration’s response to Covid19. We have shirt the bed at every turn. From the testing to completely squandering the two month head start we were given. From the lack of any planning to the wild careens in policy. We have experts, we have the means to get ahead of this, but they aren’t being allowed to do their jobs. Right now we are so very far behind where we could have been, it should be considered criminal negligence.

    Trump is directly responsible for needless deaths, and for that matter needless economic destruction, since that seems to be what really matters to him. All while he publicly pats himself on the back for what he describes as a “10”.

    He is mentally ill and a danger to this country.
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    You feel so strongly about this, and yet most Americans approve of his handling of the crisis. His approval ratings just keep going up. I think part of it may be that people still are not over that silly impeachment.
     
    MT15 said:
    So, so much this. Nobody with any credibility can defend this administration’s response to Covid19. We have shirt the bed at every turn. From the testing to completely squandering the two month head start we were given. From the lack of any planning to the wild careens in policy. We have experts, we have the means to get ahead of this, but they aren’t being allowed to do their jobs. Right now we are so very far behind where we could have been, it should be considered criminal negligence.

    Trump is directly responsible for needless deaths, and for that matter needless economic destruction, since that seems to be what really matters to him. All while he publicly pats himself on the back for what he describes as a “10”.

    He is mentally ill and a danger to this country.
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    Which experts aren't being allowed to do their jobs?
     
    MT15 said:
    So, so much this. Nobody with any credibility can defend this administration’s response to Covid19. We have shirt the bed at every turn. From the testing to completely squandering the two month head start we were given. From the lack of any planning to the wild careens in policy. We have experts, we have the means to get ahead of this, but they aren’t being allowed to do their jobs. Right now we are so very far behind where we could have been, it should be considered criminal negligence.

    Trump is directly responsible for needless deaths, and for that matter needless economic destruction, since that seems to be what really matters to him. All while he publicly pats himself on the back for what he describes as a “10”.

    He is mentally ill and a danger to this country.
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    How many of the world deaths is Trump responsible for as well. Trump hate logic will probably put it around half?
    How many can we lay at Biden's and the DNC's feet with their Corona response, they give pressers too. I would say about 10% I would guess. by that same logic used in calculating orange man bad numbers. They are purposely dividing the public in the response that should be all hands on deck but ole Joe got a campaign for senate to run.
     
    Farb, you‘re not even making any sense. But what you are doing is peddling the nonsense that opposition to Trump is some sort of syndrome or derangement, when it’s actually the opposite. (You know just as well as I do that “orange man bad” is code for TDS. I’ve had it with this sort of labeling. Its supposed to be beneath the discussion here, but it is clearly not.)

    It is normal to recoil from a person like Trump, it’s normal to be critical of his ineptitude, which is epic and deadly. it’s normal to expect more from the leader of this country. Defending and excusing his behavior is not normal.

    And, imo, calling him out in the press is the only thing that keeps him from doing even worse. His image is clearly the only thing he gives a crap about, well I take that back, aside from getting more money any way he can. So if having the opposition point out his failures gets more vents to Michigan, which it seems to have done, then I say “bravo”.
     

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