The Joe Biden 2020 tracker thread (6 Viewers)

[Intensesaint]

A place for all the gaffs, slip-ups and overall outlandish things Democratic candidates will say or do in lead up to the 2020 Election.

 

[Heathen]

Bernie should go ahead and get out now, IMO. I cannot see any sort of way he wins the nomination, and the longer he stays in the worse it is for the eventual nominee. We need to concentrate on beating Trump now, the people have chosen who they want to be the nominee.

Clearly, but pressing Biden on issues that have been weak for him in his past may have been key in him choosing to include crucial (if they come into fruition) aspects of his policy such as free college tuition under $125k and Warren's bankruptcy protections policies -- which may just get more progressive voters on Biden's side.

It looks like it might be a clean sweep for Joe tonight. I'd imagine Sanders will announce he is resigning from the race this week.

 

[MT15]

I agree, and I was glad to see Biden endorse some of Warren’s ideas as well. But that just shows that Biden is serious about uniting everyone in the party, and it’s time to unite. I hope Bernie does the right thing.

 

[Heathen]

I agree, and I was glad to see Biden endorse some of Warren’s ideas as well. But that just shows that Biden is serious about uniting everyone in the party, and it’s time to unite. I hope Bernie does the right thing.

Yep. I watched the debates Sunday night and Bernie said that he would endorse and campaign for Biden as he did for Hillary in 2016.

 

[Beach Friends]

You're equating people who speak a certain way to full-blown Marxism?

I'm still awaiting your answer on what 'far left' policies you oppose and why. Please elaborate.



Yeah, not really. Part of it is that Sanders base still is overwhelmingly young voters and young voters like every generation seem to be not able to be counted on to vote en masse. It is what it is. The Democrats seem to want to get someone who will simply 'beat Trump'. I'm wary about an administration more or less void of any real, transformational policy, but that's what we're going with. But I digress, let's look more at how the ideals of a democratic socialist are viewed at this point in time:

Despite attacks, Sanders' Medicare for All boosts early-state triumphs

Strong support across the country for Green New Deal

The ideals of Sanders, Warren etc. ARE popular with the American people. What is divisive are red scare terms, which many people know work to divide. I say leave the terminology slinging out of it and let the people decide.

Also, and we don't have to get into it here because it's quite the rabbit hole -- but democratic socialism isn't USSR or modern state Venezualan socialism. America is a mixed economy -- period, of capitalistic and socialistic aspects.

I would've been proud to elect a democratic socialist in Bernie Sanders, as would millions of others. We didn't achieve that this go round, and that's okay. The fact that he and others pushed for ideals in our party that are now mainstream seems to counter what you're saying about America being wary of electing people like him.

I find the later life of Dr. King very fascinating. He pushed for democratic socialism because he saw the undemocratic forces at play and now at rule in American society. Here's an interesting quote from one of our great civil rights leaders:

I am not going to go back and read the GND again just for the sake of discussing it now, but aside from the enormous costs of on the actual environmental proposals, I recall the plan using terms such as "equity," which is synonymous with, or at least code for, equality of outcome.

Attempting to create equality of outcome never turns out well as the government has to become increasingly tyrannical in the pursuit of that goal which in the end is not achievable.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

Not that it would ever happen, but what if Trump comes our and says ‘starting now everyone gets $1k/month UBI’
Seems like that would shake up the election significantly
Would he gain more votes than he would lose?

 

[SystemShock]

Not that it would ever happen, but what if Trump comes our and says ‘starting now everyone gets $1k/month UBI’
Seems like that would shake up the election significantly
Would he gain more votes than he would lose?

I don't know that's enough. Maybe it keeps some under a roof and fed, but any kind of debt like car payments, or expenses like cell phones...

 

[Heathen]

Not that it would ever happen, but what if Trump comes our and says ‘starting now everyone gets $1k/month UBI’
Seems like that would shake up the election significantly
Would he gain more votes than he would lose?

Trumpers heads would explode in trying to decide whether to Support Trump and piss off Libs or Reject 'socialism'

 

[SystemShock]

Clearly, but pressing Biden on issues that have been weak for him in his past may have been key in him choosing to include crucial (if they come into fruition) aspects of his policy such as free college tuition under $125k and Warren's bankruptcy protections policies -- which may just get more progressive voters on Biden's side.

I think you are reaching there.

 

[MT15]

Trumpers heads would explode in trying to decide whether to Support Trump and piss off Libs or Reject 'socialism'

it’s not socialism if they get the money though. They will think it’s right and that they earned it. It’s only those “other” people who are bleeding the rest of us with their “socialism”.

 

[Heathen]

I think you are reaching there.

Biden has recognized that there is a progressive wing that he needs to vote for his candidacy to beat Trump. He's realizing he needs to incorporate certain policies to cater to said wing.

It's simple. There's no reaching involved.

 

[Heathen]

I am not going to go back and read the GND again just for the sake of discussing it now, but aside from the enormous costs of on the actual environmental proposals, I recall the plan using terms such as "equity," which is synonymous with, or at least code for, equality of outcome.

Attempting to create equality of outcome never turns out well as the government has to become increasingly tyrannical in the pursuit of that goal which in the end is not achievable.

You're pointing out a few key words to further the point that you believe Marxism or tyrannical government is the endgame here?

Should we just keep equality and equity out of modern day verbiage?

 

[Beach Friends]

You're pointing out a few key words to further the point that you believe Marxism or tyrannical government is the endgame here?

Should we just keep equality and equity out of modern day verbiage?

I am not saying that someone such as yourself wakes up in the morning craving a tyrannical government. I am saying that in the attempt to achieve "equity" or equality of outcome that the state needs an ever increasing amount of control. And even with that control, equality of outcome remains elusive.

 

[SystemShock]

Biden has recognized that there is a progressive wing that he needs to vote for his candidacy to beat Trump. He's realizing he needs to incorporate certain policies to cater to said wing.

It's simple. There's no reaching involved.

Well, let's all thank Bernie then...

It couldn't be Biden and his campaign... nah. All Bernie.

I watched the debates Sunday night and Bernie said that he would endorse and campaign for Biden as he did for Hillary in 2016.

Biden is doomed, then.

 

[Heathen]

Well, let's all thank Bernie then...

It couldn't be Biden and his campaign... nah. All Bernie.


Biden is doomed, then.

What are you even arguing?

Youve got the snide one liners down pat, as that seems to be your style.

Would a retort longer than a few sentences kill you? I shouldn't have to plead for that. We're adults. Lets converse as such.

Saying that I'm 'reaching' when I point out that at least (2) of Bidens policy decisions have been influenced by the left wing of the party when he (Biden) literally says on his site that he's implementing the policies of said leaders is in the very least an unclear response.

And Biden is 'doomed' if Sanders endorses him? If that was an attempt at a zinger, color me unimpressed.

Clarify your position on both of those comments.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

I am not saying that someone such as yourself wakes up in the morning craving a tyrannical government. I am saying that in the attempt to achieve "equity" or equality of outcome that the state needs an ever increasing amount of control. And even with that control, equality of outcome remains elusive.

the state (with proxies) have near complete control in maintaining the inequality, so you fear seems unfounded

 

[GrandAdmiral]

No, Tulsi... NO!!!

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard drops out of the Democratic presidential primary, endorses Joe Biden

Tulsi Gabbard said on Thursday that she has dropped out of the 2020 Democratic presidential primary race. The congresswoman from Hawaii, who officially jumped into the race in February 2019, never gained traction in national polls and lagged in fundraising.

www.cnbc.com

(Who else forgot she was still in for a moment?)

 

[lurk]

I hope Bernie does the right thing.

Hah, good luck with that. Talk about an ego and a bitterness that's eclipsed only by Trump...

No, Tulsi... NO!!!

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard drops out of the Democratic presidential primary, endorses Joe Biden

Tulsi Gabbard said on Thursday that she has dropped out of the 2020 Democratic presidential primary race. The congresswoman from Hawaii, who officially jumped into the race in February 2019, never gained traction in national polls and lagged in fundraising.

www.cnbc.com

(Who else forgot she was still in for a moment?)

There is a significant amount of either ego or crazy on display here. What a ridiculous person.

 

[Beach Friends]

Hah, good luck with that. Talk about an ego and a bitterness that's eclipsed only by Trump...


There is a significant amount of either ego or crazy on display here. What a ridiculous person.

Call her crazy, but at least she brought an anti war voice to the discussion.