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    TheRealTruth said:
    That's a fair argument, but from this point forward I would say that it is now hypocritical for you to point out anything that Trump says that is a lie or controversial, and at the same time, Trump supporters will also be hypocritical if they do not hold Trump accountable for lies or controversies. Don't you agree?
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    Please don't take this the wrong way because I do not mean it how it will come out.

    but from this point forward I would say that it is now hypocritical for you to point out anything that Trump says that is a lie or controversial
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    When trump supporters start caring about being hypocrites, I'll start caring again. Mitch McConnell denied Obama a supreme court nomination with some made up BS. Put in the same situation, asked if the same rules would apply this year, he stated that trumps will be given the opportunity to nominate a supreme court justice. Now ask me again if I give a damn about being seen as hypocritical for pointing things that Trump lies about. The difference is that I can at least admit I'm being hypocritical and I'm happy to share why.

    Trump supporters will also be hypocritical if they do not hold Trump accountable for lies or controversies. Don't you agree?
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    What exactly do you mean by "will be"? Trump supporters have been hypocrites since he won the nomination. Trump supporters have had a 4 year head start in the hypocrite department. We have a lot of catching up to do.
     
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    Saintamaniac said:
    If 2016 taught me anything is that you can't necessarily trust polls whether they have been reliable in the past or not. The new trend seems to show that people either purposely lie to poll takers or simply refuse to participate.
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    Well, polls are polls, and they have margins of error... however, I think one has to take into account the bomb Comey dropped a couple weeks before the election.
     
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    There was a fivethirtyeight article that came out a week or two before the election in 2016 that was entitled 'Trump is only a minor polling error from the presidency.'

    So the polls in the end really weren't that off last time, especially when you consider how hard it was breaking for Trump there at the end.
     
    This was an interesting take, and one that may to some extent reflect reality if Biden wins in November:

    fivethirtyeight.com

    The Pandemic Has Pushed Biden To The Left. How Far Will He Go?

    Six weeks ago, when Sen. Bernie Sanders dropped out of the presidential race, it seemed like the Democratic Party’s left wing suffered a major and potentially l…
    fivethirtyeight.com fivethirtyeight.com
     
    Heathen said:
    This was an interesting take, and one that may to some extent reflect reality if Biden wins in November:

    fivethirtyeight.com

    The Pandemic Has Pushed Biden To The Left. How Far Will He Go?

    Six weeks ago, when Sen. Bernie Sanders dropped out of the presidential race, it seemed like the Democratic Party’s left wing suffered a major and potentially l…
    fivethirtyeight.com fivethirtyeight.com
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    I think a lot will be said by how he postures himself and who he nominates to be VP.

    I will say I have been pleasantly surprised how he has transitioned so far. Putting together policy working groups that incorporate and give arguably an equal role to progressive and left-wing members of the party in crafting the platform on a myriad of issues.

    I typically hate 538 punditry, as I see it contributing to some of the worst trends in American political commentary, but this writer makes some compelling points.

    I still have my reservations becuase Biden is not typically someone that is willing to be experimental and bold in the way this moment requires. And in the back of my mind I have a real fear that Biden will Hoover this moment if he wins, and unlike in the 30’s, the next batter up after Hoover and his party failed won’t be a progressive Democrat, it will by all accounts of trends be a demagoguing Republican, and it is really scary when you look at history how much luck ultimately played in America not going the way many states in Europe did during the Great Depression.
     
    Savage said:
    I don't think the Biden really wants to win. I think he wants the all the money his family had been paid by Ukraine and China to continue to grow, so keeping Trump is office is in his best interest.
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    Just curious how do you come to that conclusion?

    What line of thinking gets you to that point?
     
    I'm certainly willing to listen to an explanation of the circumstances since the 1960s that led the once Jim Crow supporting Democrats of Louisiana to reject their old ways of thinking, renounce the Southern Democratic alliance and what it stood for, and switch parties to usher in a new era of equality and progress, rather than switching affiliation because they found a familiar and welcoming home across the aisle.
     
    Surviving Saint said:
    Yes. We still living in the 70s I guess.
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    I don't believe anybody is making the argument that nothing has changed. Of course we've made progress.

    Part of this discussion is directed at understanding what has taken place on the political landscape over recent decades, and how that has influenced party affiliation. Changes that have also included and coincided with suppressing systemic racism through policy initiatives so that, yes, 2020 America is different from 1970 America. But it's also true that racism hasn't been eradicated.
     
    www.npr.org

    Colin Powell Says He's Voting For Biden

    The former secretary of state said that President Trump's penchant to insult "anybody who dare[s] to speak against him" has always turned him off. Now, he says, more people are feeling the same way.
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    Bumping this thread because this is a huge endorsement. I always have wished that Powell would have run for president at some point, but it wasn't in the cards. An endorsement like this, from a conservative who is so widely respected, could be a game changer. Gives republicans against Trump even more of an excuse to vote against him in November.
     
    Brandon13 said:
    Honestly I don't consider that a huge endorsement as I would have been stunned if he didn't endorse Biden like he did Hillary Clinton and Obama.
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    I get that, but I also think he's respected by the majority of people on both sides of the aisle and could sway an undecided voter that respects him more than they do Biden. An "If he's good enough for Powell, he's good enough for me," kind of thing. I mean, he is a Republican after all and was the best thing about Bush's administration.
     
    "As his criminal justice proposal made clear months ago, Vice President Biden does not believe that police should be defunded," campaign spokesman Andrew Bates said in response to questions from USA TODAY. He said Biden "hears and shares the deep grief and frustration of those calling out for change and is driven to ensure that justice is done and that we put a stop to this terrible pain."

    I guess trump won't be able to use that as an attack then...

     
    the contrast between Biden going to Houston and sitting with Floyd's daughter juxtaposed with Trump not letting Floyd's brother really speak in a phone call is pretty stark

    I understand the criticism that it's just a PR stunt, but one tweet I read put it well - if you consider the visit to purely be PR, and that's low, then consider that Trump couldn't even bring himself to do that

    And I think that's why Biden's profile has been pretty low - by design, because Trump has been his own worst enemy lately and the polls are pretty explicit in highlighting this
     
    Ayo said:
    the contrast between Biden going to Houston and sitting with Floyd's daughter juxtaposed with Trump not letting Floyd's brother really speak in a phone call is pretty stark

    I understand the criticism that it's just a PR stunt, but one tweet I read put it well - if you consider the visit to purely be PR, and that's low, then consider that Trump couldn't even bring himself to do that

    And I think that's why Biden's profile has been pretty low - by design, because Trump has been his own worst enemy lately and the polls are pretty explicit in highlighting this
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    I agree. Biden sees that Trump is melting down and using it to his advantage by keeping quiet and letting Trump talk himself into a corner on a near daily basis. It's working out better than I'm sure he could have ever hoped.
     

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