The Impeachment Process Has Officially Begun (1 Viewer)

[Andrus]

By Laura Bassett

After months of internal arguing among Democrats over whether to impeach President Donald Trump, the dam is finally breaking in favor of trying to remove him from office. The Washington Post reported that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would announce a formal impeachment inquiry on Tuesday, following a bombshell report that Trump illegally asked Ukraine’s government to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, one of his political opponents. (He essentially admitted to having done so over the weekend.)

“Now that we have the facts, we’re ready,” Pelosi said Tuesday morning at a forum hosted by The Atlantic. At 5 p.m. the same day, she was back with more. "The actions taken to date by the president have seriously violated the constitution, especially when the president says Article Two says I can do whatever I want," referring to the segment of the Constitution that defines the power of the executive branch of the government. Pelosi's message was that checks and balances of those branches are just as central to the Constitution. And one more thing: "Today, I am announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry," she said at a conference broadcast on Twitter by the Huffington Post. ...

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[Nebaghead]

I am not asking this to be snarky - all I can find is that the McGahn subpoena is working its way through the courts. Do you have links to reporting on those cases? For example - I know Mulvaney had filed something in Court asking to get out from the subpoena, but then dropped that case and can find nothing else - no move filed by Congress to compel or something like that.

This article talks about Kupperman and Bolton. They have the same lawyer. I know Mulvaney tried to attach himself to their case but withdrew.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/impeac...rare-unity-between-house-democrats-and-trump/

 

[JimEverett]

This article talks about Kupperman and Bolton. They have the same lawyer. I know Mulvaney tried to attach himself to their case but withdrew.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/impeac...rare-unity-between-house-democrats-and-trump/

Thanks.

That doesn't say that Bolton is a party to that lawsuit. And the House withdrew their subpoena to Kupperman- even announcing that they will not seek his testimony at a Senate trial.

Judge mulls dismissing ex-Trump aide’s suit over withdrawn House subpoena

The House is no longer seeking testimony from Charles Kupperman.

www.politico.com

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Except no one has made that point.

Except for this guy:

Like I said in my earlier post, "credible" does not make it true or criminal and we can't keep chasing our tails investigating every "credible" allegation made by those that have no direct evidence that a crime was committed. Your zeal for continuing this Schiff Sham shows you're guilty of the same emotional response that you accuse Beach Friends of. You have yet to show where a crime was committed but you want the Schiff Sham to continue because of your "deep distrust" of Trump. That's not a valid reason for continuing the charade and disingenuously trying to overturn an election. Good luck convincing anyone other than your fellow Democratic partisans that you're "making an honest effort to deal in facts" while you continue to parrot Democratic talking points in every post.

And him:

Last post on this as I’m not trying to be combative. I posted the most liberal source I could find just to say both sides see these two things tied together. The other side of the isle is saying that this is just an extension of the mueller case. Because they didn’t get the impeachment from that investigation, they are desperately trying this avenue as means to overturn America’s vote in 2016.

DD as well:

It's my opinion that the whole Russia Collusion thing and impeachment push are an attempt to overturn the election results, and I am not alone in that opinion.

This dude:

You can't overturn the election on these facts, there is a transcript of the call that shows nothing wrong. The Democrats have no room to complain about an absence of witnesses in the Senate when they would not even produce Eric Ciaremella.

And you:

Yes. Trying to overturn the results of an election with no bipartisan support.
Talk about a threat to democracy.

Unless you meant that it's not a national talking point, of course.

The Latest: Trump holds record-long rally on impeachment day

WASHINGTON (AP) — A sample of the sights and sounds across Washington and beyond on a momentous day in Washington on Wednesday as the House passed two articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump (all times local):

apnews.com

An Ohio congressman accused Democrats of trying to overturn the results of the last election by impeaching Trump. Bill Johnson asked for a moment of silence to remember the “63 million Americans” who voted for Trump and have been forgotten.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-is-impeached-by-the-house-creating-an-indelible-mark-on-his-presidency/2019/12/18/501bcab2-2105-11ea-a153-dce4b94e4249_story.html

Democrats characterized Trump as an immediate threat to the nation he was elected to lead, casting his actions as an unprecedented affront to American values. Republicans denounced those charges as unsubstantiated and the process as illegitimate, repeatedly accusing the Democrats of seeking to illegally overturn the results of the last election.

 

[FullMonte]

Isn't this all a waste of time when the Senate finds Trump not guilty?

Not really. At the very least, it gets information out to the electorate that was not available without this process.

Hypothetically, the House could make a compelling case that the president is guilty. The Senate could then vote along party lines, and the president would be acquitted. Then, voters could use that to remove republicans who ignored the evidence, and a president who they see as guilty.

 

[insidejob]

POP channel M-F 12-4. BTW re watching some of these episodes man I'm amazed at the story lines.

My favorite episode ever is the "Donna Martin graduates! Donna Martin graduates!" protest episode.

But yeah, those storylines are pretty racy for a show aimed at young teens. I even like the episodes when they're in college. Steve and Brandon's relationship was always just awesome.

 

[JimEverett]

Except for this guy:



And him:



DD as well:



This dude:



And you:



Unless you meant that it's not a national talking point, of course.

The Latest: Trump holds record-long rally on impeachment day

WASHINGTON (AP) — A sample of the sights and sounds across Washington and beyond on a momentous day in Washington on Wednesday as the House passed two articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump (all times local):

apnews.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-is-impeached-by-the-house-creating-an-indelible-mark-on-his-presidency/2019/12/18/501bcab2-2105-11ea-a153-dce4b94e4249_story.html

Yeah, you are right. I went back and read what I had quoted and you had written specifically about the 2016 election. When I responded I thought you were making a point about impeachment in general, which I don't think you were.

 

[wardorican]

The threshold for you labeling someone a racist needs to be raised significantly.

The significance of the video of Rashida Tlaib gleefully going to vote on impeachment is that it highlights the hypocrisy of the Democratic leadership, who have repeatedly claimed that this is a "somber" occasion.

BTW, at the same time I posted the Tlaib video I posted in the media literacy thread a picture of a group of white journalists from the WaPo celebrating impeachment. I will post it here for easy reference.

The woman in the back middle is Asian.

Not every family member acts right. It can be a somber occasion with a few acting foolish.

 

[BobE]

My favorite episode ever is the "Donna Martin graduates! Donna Martin graduates!" protest episode.

But yeah, those storylines are pretty racy for a show aimed at young teens. I even like the episodes when they're in college. Steve and Brandon's relationship was always just awesome.

Agreed. One of the best part have been seeing all the cameos/small parts by people before they made it big. But yea I mean most of season 2 was Andrea and Brenda fighting over who was going to bang the drama teacher first. I was just like WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Beach Friends]

The woman in the back middle is Asian.

Oh well, that changes everything.

 

[Infoman]

In sort of related news... Tulsi Gabbard has earned my support... by simply doing the right thing and calling out (and voting against) both sides on this BS....

 

[samiam5211]

In sort of related news... Tulsi Gabbard has earned my support...

You'd vote for her over Trump?

 

[Infoman]

You'd vote for her over Trump?

Since I did not, and would never vote for Trump... and She showed some level of sanity / fortitude... sure.

Just like I did not, and would never vote for Hillary....

I like my leaders to be... Leaders... not mouth pieces, puppets, and/or fair weather, phony, partisan hacks that would say or do anything to farm votes.

 

[efil4]

Ahhh. The old "your a racist" game... How original...

That's pretty sorry.. Before I report this post... I have to say... If this is your argument.. Your not even worth debating with... Typical Leftist bullshirt... I argued with women that have a better game than this. And they say: "Nothing, I'm fine."

You may have already been through it and falsely convinced yourself.. Me.. I been watching the Dems go nuts for the past 3 years... I can clearly see it's just the democrats unhinged.

meanwhile.. Democrats in Virginia are trying to take our guns while this debacle gets national coverage...

Oh. BTW.. Sure ain't heard anymore about babies in Cages at the border these days...

Re: Virginia

want me to link you to the gun control laws they are looking to pass? Here are the 8 proposed bills....tell us ALL which one is "taking ur guhns".

Please.

Virginia Democrats plan swift gun control. Gun-rights groups promise “a big backlash.”

In the days following the election, a pro-gun-rights group compared Virginia Democrats’ impending passage of gun control measures to the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941. “I fea…

www.pilotonline.com

You still reading ????? or have you realized that what you said was simply not true and moved on to being "outraged" at posts???

 

[Soundwave]

In sort of related news... Tulsi Gabbard has earned my support... by simply doing the right thing and calling out (and voting against) both sides on this BS....

She got dragged on twitter last night by thousands calling her a coward.

Say what you will about her or her vote, but I don't think "coward" fits the description.

 

[Lapaz]

In sort of related news... Tulsi Gabbard has earned my support... by simply doing the right thing and calling out (and voting against) both sides on this BS....

I was contributing to her campaign, but withdrew my support due to her present vote. If she doesn’t deem this behavior as wrong, then I don’t support her. The only reason that there was limited information was due to Trump’s obstruction, and her present vote is a reward to Trump. I would still vote for her over Trump, but not enthusiastically.

 

[samiam5211]

She got dragged on twitter last night by thousands calling her a coward.

Say what you will about her or her vote, but I don't think "coward" fits the description.

I think opportunistic is a much better word.

 

[Lapaz]

I think opportunistic is a much better word.

I agree Tulsi was seeking to stand out, but this makes her seem unprincipled. I’m open to hearing her rationale, but I doubt it’ll convince me that she did the right thing.

 

[Soundwave]

I agree Tulsi was seeking to stand out, but this makes her seem unprincipled. I’m open to hearing her rationale, but I doubt it’ll convince me that she did the right thing.

This is what she said about it:

The Hawaii Democrat said in a statement that she wanted to "make a stand for the center." She said her conscience wouldn't let her vote against impeachment, because she believes Trump "is guilty of wrongdoing," but she "also could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting president must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country."