The Impeachment Process Has Officially Begun (3 Viewers)

[Andrus]

By Laura Bassett

After months of internal arguing among Democrats over whether to impeach President Donald Trump, the dam is finally breaking in favor of trying to remove him from office. The Washington Post reported that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would announce a formal impeachment inquiry on Tuesday, following a bombshell report that Trump illegally asked Ukraine’s government to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, one of his political opponents. (He essentially admitted to having done so over the weekend.)

“Now that we have the facts, we’re ready,” Pelosi said Tuesday morning at a forum hosted by The Atlantic. At 5 p.m. the same day, she was back with more. "The actions taken to date by the president have seriously violated the constitution, especially when the president says Article Two says I can do whatever I want," referring to the segment of the Constitution that defines the power of the executive branch of the government. Pelosi's message was that checks and balances of those branches are just as central to the Constitution. And one more thing: "Today, I am announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry," she said at a conference broadcast on Twitter by the Huffington Post. ...

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[Intensesaint]

Is this the impeachment thread or lets chance the definition of words thread?

 

[BobE]

So, do you think there is anything I can say for Trump to gain your support in 2020?

 

[Dadsdream]

As pointed out, saying the democrats wanted to impeach him from day one is attributing to the whole party the words of a few.

If the leadership of the Democratic Party had wanted to impeach him from day one they had opportunities, but they didn’t do it. Pelosi never wanted to impeach him, her hand was forced by Trump’s own actions.
He will do anything to further his own interests. That much is crystal clear. He carried on the birther smear of Obama for years after he knew it was false. He still calls for the execution of the Central Park Five even though DNA testing has exonerated them. This political smear is totally in character for him. Nobody says “this just doesn’t sound like something Trump would do.”

He is a man devoid of ethics, morals or human decency. But the Republicans say he’s crusading to get rid of corruption, bless their hearts. The most corrupt president we’ve ever had and it’s not even close and they believe he’s interested in rooting out corruption.

The man who ran a sham university and had to settle a lawsuit for $25 million. The man who so egregiously self dealt out of his “charity” that a court found he had defrauded veterans out of $2 million. The man who has committed insurance fraud, tax fraud and bank fraud for years. The man who bragged about working with the Mafia. The man who was found to have been racially discriminatory in his housing rentals, twice. The man who has been laundering money for Russian oligarchs.

Yeah, he’s going to root out corruption. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Repeating all the negative info that was ineffective in the 2016 campaign will yield a net effect of zero.

His list of shortcomings and the propensity for those opposed to him, constantly reciting that list over and over, reminds me of Louisiana Governor Edwin Edwards and before him, Governors Huey and Earl K. Long . . .

"He may be a crook, but he's our crook."

 

[coldseat]

Repeating all the negative info that was ineffective in the 2016 campaign will yield a net effect of zero.

His list of shortcomings and the propensity for those opposed to him, constantly reciting that list over and over, reminds me of Louisiana Governor Edwin Edwards and before him, Governors Huey and Earl K. Long . . .

"He may be a crook, but he's our crook."

That's pretty rich, especially coming from somebody who supports a president who today delivered a manifesto of grievances 6 pages long to Pelosi today on official white house letterhead.

Talk about an angry senior who needs to chill and watch movies with his friends.

 

[MT15]

Repeating all the negative info that was ineffective in the 2016 campaign will yield a net effect of zero.

His list of shortcomings and the propensity for those opposed to him, constantly reciting that list over and over, reminds me of Louisiana Governor Edwin Edwards and before him, Governors Huey and Earl K. Long . . .

"He may be a crook, but he's our crook."

So then, I take it, you don’t really believe he is fighting corruption? This is a step forward, IMO. At least admitting you know what he is and that you still support him and all his corruption. That’s much better than the gaslighting the current Republican representatives are doing.

 

[Intensesaint]

So then, I take it, you don’t really believe he is fighting corruption? This is a step forward, IMO. At least admitting you know what he is and that you still support him and all his corruption. That’s much better than the gaslighting the current Republican representatives are doing.

I would rather his corruption than the regressive policies of the far left that is currently running for office. And so does a very large segment of voters.

The thing you fail to understand is, your shame game doesn't work. The left have terrible ideas this election cycle. I mean really terrible. And there is no way I would vote for any of them over trump. Put in a reasonable democrat and it would be easy to defeat trump because of his short comings.

It's not the fact that we are happy to support Trump, it's the fact that the far left policies of most of the democratic field are awful.

 

[Beach Friends]

I would rather his corruption than the regressive policies of the far left that is currently running for office. And so does a very large segment of voters.

The thing you fail to understand is, your shame game doesn't work. The left have terrible ideas this election cycle. I mean really terrible. And there is no way I would vote for any of them over trump. Put in a reasonable democrat and it would be easy to defeat trump because of his short comings.

It's not the fact that we are happy to support Trump, it's the fact that the far left policies of most of the democratic field are awful.

Exactly. Voting for any of the Democratic candidates is not even close to being an option.

 

[Dadsdream]

That's pretty rich, especially coming from somebody who supports a president who today delivered a manifesto of grievances 6 pages long to Pelosi today on official white house letterhead.

Talk about an angry senior who needs to chill and watch movies with his friends.

I was amazed that he kept it to 6 pages, given his proclivity for bombastic hyperbole.

As for myself, though I'm not angry, I do love to chill and watch movies with my friends at the end of a long day.
Tonight, it was my wide-eyed 2-year-old granddaughter experiencing The Wizard of Oz for the first time.
We got up and danced together while the Munchkins sang "Follow The Yellow Brick Road."

So then, I take it, you don’t really believe he is fighting corruption? This is a step forward, IMO. At least admitting you know what he is and that you still support him and all his corruption. That’s much better than the gaslighting the current Republican representatives are doing.

I really believe that most of the politicians in Washington aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing.
Yes, I know what he is and I know what they are. He's no better or worse than his opposition. I'm cynical like that.

Gaslighting, you say? The Kavanaugh hearings and the House impeachment hearings were good examples gaslighting . . . attempts to make people question their own sanity . . . in order to get the American public to accept hearsay and innuendo as hard cold facts.

 

[coldseat]

I would rather his corruption than the regressive policies of the far left that is currently running for office. And so does a very large segment of voters.

The thing you fail to understand is, your shame game doesn't work. The left have terrible ideas this election cycle. I mean really terrible. And there is no way I would vote for any of them over trump. Put in a reasonable democrat and it would be easy to defeat trump because of his short comings.

It's not the fact that we are happy to support Trump, it's the fact that the far left policies of most of the democratic field are awful.

Why doesn't your side put up a reasonable Republican? Why couldn't you your side vote for a reasonable Republican candidate in 2016?

It's funny that you expect something from the side you hate and criticize, but don't care to demand the same from the side you support and champion.

I was amazed that he kept it to 6 pages, given his proclivity for bombastic hyperbole.

As for myself, though I'm not angry, I do love to chill and watch movies with my friends at the end of a long day.
Tonight, it was my wide-eyed 2-year-old granddaughter experiencing The Wizard of Oz for the first time.
We got up and danced together while the Munchkins sang "Follow The Yellow Brick Road."


I really believe that most of the politicians in Washington aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing.
Yes, I know what he is and I know what they are. He's no better or worse than his opposition. I'm cynical like that.

Gaslighting, you say? The Kavanaugh hearings and the House impeachment hearings were good examples gaslighting . . . attempts to make people question their own sanity . . . in order to get the American public to accept hearsay and innuendo as hard cold facts.

I was referring to Trump, not you.

 

[Intensesaint]

Why doesn't your side put up a reasonable Republican? Why couldn't you your side vote for a reasonable Republican candidate in 2016?

It's funny that you expect something from the side you hate and criticize, but don't care to demand the same from the side you support and champion.

Those are questions I do not have the answer to. What I am saying is there is no way I would vote for any of the democrats now. And that goes the same for many other Americans. That is why democrats have been talking about impeachment as soon as Trump won the election.

 

[Lapaz]

I would rather his corruption than the regressive policies of the far left that is currently running for office. And so does a very large segment of voters.

The thing you fail to understand is, your shame game doesn't work. The left have terrible ideas this election cycle. I mean really terrible. And there is no way I would vote for any of them over trump. Put in a reasonable democrat and it would be easy to defeat trump because of his short comings.

It's not the fact that we are happy to support Trump, it's the fact that the far left policies of most of the democratic field are awful.

It seems that you value your vote. Do you not see that Trump is slowly undermining Democracy? Soliciting hacking and false investigations undermines the integrity of elections. Undermining the FBI, CIA, the press and obstruction of justice undermines Democracy. These are the steps that authoritarians take. Back a Republican that respects law and order and the constitution, and then we can have a debate on ideas without fearing that it will be the last debates allowed.

 

[Intensesaint]

It seems that you value your vote. Do you not see that Trump is slowly undermining Democracy? Soliciting hacking and false investigations undermines the integrity of elections. Undermining the FBI, CIA, the press and obstruction of justice undermines Democracy. These are the steps that authoritarians take. Back a Republican that respects law and order and the constitution, and then we can have a debate on ideas without fearing that it will be the last debates allowed.

Once again, I will vote for trump over the current crop of democratic candidates. Their platforms and ideals are terrible.

 

[Lapaz]

Those are questions I do not have the answer to. What I am saying is there is no way I would vote for any of the democrats now. And that goes the same for many other Americans. That is why democrats have been talking about impeachment as soon as Trump won the election.

No Democrats wanted to impeach him because he was doing impeachable things even before he was elected. Mocking disabled, soliciting hacking, hiding his debtors, hiring crooks, mocking war heroes, attacking Gold Star families, raping women, and on and on.

 

[Intensesaint]

No Democrats wanted to impeach him because he was doing impeachable things even before he was elected. Mocking disabled, soliciting hacking, hiding his debtors, hiring crooks, mocking war heroes, attacking Gold Star families, raping women, and on and on.

A lot of those things are not impeachable offences.

Some are serious charges though, have proof?

 

[V Chip]

In calling it a right-wing talking point? Jerry Nadler????

You said he claimed either they're an idiot or a right-winger -- I was going by what you paraphrased as his statement.

I forget the exact quote, but I used in response to Saintmaniac who was saying some foolishness like only an idiot or right-winger would think it is overturning an election. Hence, Jerry Nadler

 

[Lapaz]

Trump is a threat to our Republic. I’d vote for Pence over him, even though Pence is horrible. If you love our Republic, a vote for almost anyone else is preferable.

 

[Lapaz]

Trump is a threat to our Republic. I’d vote for Pence over him, even though Pence is horrible. If you love our Republic, a vote for almost anyone else is preferable.

 

[Beach Friends]

It seems that you value your vote. Do you not see that Trump is slowly undermining Democracy? Soliciting hacking and false investigations undermines the integrity of elections. Undermining the FBI, CIA, the press and obstruction of justice undermines Democracy. These are the steps that authoritarians take. Back a Republican that respects law and order and the constitution, and then we can have a debate on ideas without fearing that it will be the last debates allowed.

Undermining the media, the CIA and the FBI? All of those entities are extremely powerful and have enormous resources to ensure they are great.

He is not undermining them, they are doing that to themselves. He is shining a spotlight on their deficiencies.

And I am glad he is, because there needs to be corrections with all three institutions.

It's bizzare to see someone white knighting for the FBI - this of all weeks.

And no, it's not just a few procedures that need to be tweaked. It's always been against the rules to withhold exculpatory evidence and make up evidence that does not exist.

Altering evidence would be a huge scandal in a car wreck case. An attorney caught doing that would be disbarred and would be shunned by the local bar if he ever got to practice again. But to do that as a government attorney before a secret court is unreal.