The Bernie Sanders Is Probably [Now Not] Going To Be The Nominee Thread (1 Viewer)

[EmBeeFiveOhFour]

We have a running thread about the 2020 Democratic race at large, but 538 is now showing that Bernie Sanders has a nearly 50% chance of carrying a majority of delegates into the Democratic National Convention (with the current runner up being "no one has a majority" at close to 40%). At some point in the near future--maybe as soon as Super Tuesday next week when he wins California--it will be time to acknowledge that Sanders is the probable nominee and there is nothing Biden or Bloomberg or anyone else in the race now can do to stop it. So, what happens then?

I know that the Trump voters will say he's crazy and use that as their excuse for voting for Trump (who they were voting for anyway under any circumstance, let's all be clear and honest about that). But how does everyone else feel about it?

 

[SystemShock]

I would not bet on Florida being red all that long.

The felony convictions law that allows their voting rights to be reinstated is gonna make a huge dent in the red state. That is over a million people.

I know they have all kinds of hurdles to jump thru but it should have a real impact a few years down the road.

Sanders exalting the virtues of Fidel is not going to sit well with the Cubans.

 

[coldseat]

Sanders exalting the virtues of Fidel is not going to sit well with the Cubans.

It will probably not sit will with older Cubans more so than younger Cubans. Trumps regresive polices towards Cuba, also doesn't sit well with them. There's also been a significant influx of Puerto Ricans in the state since the last election. All of which would be eligible to vote and which aren't to keen on Trump.

 

[Nebaghead]

Sanders exalting the virtues of Fidel is not going to sit well with the Cubans.

Cubans still haven't forgotten about The Bay of Pigs. Only the younger cubans vote blue anyway.

 

[The moose]

Sanders exalting the virtues of Fidel is not going to sit well with the Cubans.

Yep I would agree Cubans over 65 voted red anyway.

The way trump has treated all Latinos if I were one it would be impossible to vote for trump no matter what anyone else said because of Trump's actions.

Some facts should not be said. You know Hitler could build roads better than anyone else in the history of man. That is a fact that I would not bring up but certainly is true.

 

[dtc]

My point is unchecked Capitalism allows for things like corrupt cronyism to fester....just like unchecked Socialism can remove individual freedoms we hold dear....its all about the balance, or rather checks and balance....it may be oversimplifying but I think it is key to this country's well being....

Ok, I get what you're trying to say, but we are not suffering from "unchecked capitalism".

We are suffering from an intentionally manipulated tax system which rewards the rich for being rich at the expense of an actual free and fair market.

 

[dtc]

Why would capitalism allow the festering of corrupt cronyism?

I can see problems with unregulated capitalism - but cronyism is not one of them. Rather, that would be a product of government regulation.

Exactly. It would be a product of intentionally purchased regulation sold by Republicans to the highest bidder and allowed only by the ignorance of the rank and file. It's an abomination of capitalism.

 

[JimEverett]

Exactly. It would be a product of intentionally purchased regulation sold by Republicans to the highest bidder and allowed only by the ignorance of the rank and file. It's an abomination of capitalism.

Yeah - only Republicans do it. LOL

 

[SFIDC3]

Why would capitalism allow the festering of corrupt cronyism?

I can see problems with unregulated capitalism - but cronyism is not one of them. Rather, that would be a product of government regulation.

Exactly. It would be a product of intentionally purchased regulation sold by Republicans to the highest bidder and allowed only by the ignorance of the rank and file. It's an abomination of capitalism.

I guess I should have made the distinction between unchecked and unregulated? I didn't think there was a ton of difference...ok....but I agree the better description of our current landscape would be an abomination of capitalism.....

 

[SystemShock]

It will probably not sit will with older Cubans more so than younger Cubans.

You'd think, but... going against the Cuban regime is one thing, but Fidel is the Hitler of Cubans.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

Sanders exalting the virtues of Fidel is not going to sit well with the Cubans.

The media framing Sanders’ discussion of Cuba’s education system as an exhaltation of Castro will be easily swallowed by 2nd generation Cubans if they don’t care to look any closer
FIFY

 

[SystemShock]

The media framing Sanders’ discussion of Cuba’s education system as an exhaltation of Castro will be easily swallowed by 2nd generation Cubans if they don’t care to look any closer
FIFY

You didn't FIFY anything. What would this framing be?
You are talking the equivalent of someone exalting the virtues of Osama Bin-Laden in NYC.

 

[dtc]

Yeah - only Republicans do it. LOL

For the past 40 years Republicans have intentionally engaged in a policy of coopting values voter issues into a makeshift coalition whose purpose it seems is tax cuts and preferential legal treatment for the rich and business.

I don't think it's even debatable and while Democrats are certainly not perfect, I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find us good examples of Democrats favoring policies that kill people, hurt the environment or favor billionaires over the working class.

But you can try.

 

[Beach Friends]

The media framing Sanders’ discussion of Cuba’s education system as an exhaltation of Castro will be easily swallowed by 2nd generation Cubans if they don’t care to look any closer
FIFY

They are probably are not not too interested in Marxist BS.

I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find us good examples of Democrats favoring policies that kill people,

They do like their abortions.

 

[The moose]

You'd think, but... going against the Cuban regime is one thing, but Fidel is the Hitler of Cubans.

That one is a bit much Fidel was not good at all yet was not all bad by any stretch of the imagination.

Batista who the us government backed was just as extreme if not more than Fidel he just was not in bed with Russia.

Batista was in bed with the mob, sold all the sugar to american companies contracts that kept his people stupid and ungodly poor for his gain personal gain.

Batista took over Cuba with a military coup in 1952 before the scheduled election that year. That was because he was a distant third. So he just took it kinda like Fidel did.

You know the cold war sucked but the usa backing Batista and allowing him to in essence run over his people for his and corporate sugar and the mob gain was not at all good.

 

[MT15]

1st can we all acknowledge the irony of the whole board not considering this same antiestablishment plot played out less that 4 years ago

After warren, Bernie aligns the most with what I think needs to happen in this country - we have been in a flailing regressive trend for decades and the moderate speed bumps have not helped
We need a course correction

A Bernie presidency would be interesting bc he would not be able to bully, lie, and bannon/sessions his agenda - coalition building would be interesting

My only reservation is I’m waiting to hear running mate/cabinet ideas from him

I totally get what you are saying, but I’m not overwhelmed by Sanders’ history of coalition building. Every time I hear him or one of his surrogates, it’s pretty much his way or the Highway.

 

[JimEverett]

For the past 40 years Republicans have intentionally engaged in a policy of coopting values voter issues into a makeshift coalition whose purpose it seems is tax cuts and preferential legal treatment for the rich and business.

I don't think it's even debatable and while Democrats are certainly not perfect, I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find us good examples of Democrats favoring policies that kill people, hurt the environment or favor billionaires over the working class.

But you can try.

I thought you were talking about corrupt cronyism.
Democrats certainly had a very large hand in the bank bailouts. And did you look at Obama's Energy Department. Might be the poster child for modern federal cronyism.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

I thought you were talking about corrupt cronyism.
Democrats certainly had a very large hand in the bank bailouts. And did you look at Obama's Energy Department. Might be the poster child for modern federal cronyism.

Agree to a point
Deregulation conservatives = 65% of the problem
Neoliberalism & global finance = 32% of the problem
Michael Bey movies = the remainder
- probably

 

[JimEverett]

Agree to a point
Deregulation conservatives = 65% of the problem
Neoliberalism & global finance = 32% of the problem
Michael Bey movies = the remainder
- probably

I am not going to quibble with the percentages, but the idea that cronyism results from people advocating for de-regulation seems weird, if not outright wrong, to me. If there is deregulation, as in the government loses power over an area - then I am not sure how there can be corrupt cronyism. Increasing regulation, adding regulation, or enforcing regulation are ways corrupt cronyism comes into play. As oes just basic government contracting.

Again, not to say there are not problems with de-regulation - but corrupt cronyism is not one of them.