Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (2 Viewers)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[zztop]

Anti-abortion activist who led a clinic blockade is sentenced to nearly 5 years in prison

An anti-abortion activist who led others on an invasion and blockade of a reproductive health clinic in the nation’s capital has been sentenced to nearly five years in prison.

apnews.com

Handy’s supporters applauded as she was led out of the courtroom. “You’re a hero, Lauren!” one of them shouted.

 

[superchuck500]

Katie Britt, the Republican US senator from Alabama best known for delivering a widely ridiculed State of the Union speech in March, marked the run-up to Mother’s Day on Sunday by introducing a bill to create a federal database to collect data on pregnant people.

The More Opportunities for Moms to Succeed (Moms) act proposes to establish an online government database called “pregnancy.gov” listing resources related to pregnancy, including information about adoption agencies and pregnancy care providers, except for those that provide abortion-related services.

The bill specifically forbids any entity that “performs, induces, refers for, or counsels in favor of abortions” from being listed in the database, which would in effect eliminate swaths of OB-GYN services and sexual health clinics across the country.


The website would direct users to enter their personal data and contact information, and although Britt’s communications director said the site would not collect data on pregnant people, page three of the bill states that users can “take an assessment through the website and provide consent to use the user’s contact information” which government officials may use “to conduct outreach via phone or email to follow up with users on additional resources that would be helpful for the users to review”.

Britt introduced the legislation on Thursday alongside two co-sponsors: fellow Republican senators Marco Rubio of Florida and Kevin Cramer of North Dakota.

In a statement, Britt said the bill was proof that “you can absolutely be pro-life, pro-woman, and pro-family at the same time”, adding that the legislation “advances a comprehensive culture of life” for mothers and children to “live their American Dreams”.…..

Katie Britt proposes federal database to collect data on pregnant people

Republican US senator from Alabama best known for delivering widely ridiculed State of the Union speech in March

www.theguardian.com

^ is forking wild.

Rubio needs to be blasted for supporting this. How can this possibly be considered "conservative"?

 

[Optimus Prime]

^ is forking wild.

Rubio needs to be blasted for supporting this. How can this possibly be considered "conservative"?

If moderates and liberals hate something it's conservative

and if they hate it that means it's good and conservatives should love it

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I'd like to hear Farb and SFL take on this... If they agree this is where it should go.. Since they said we were crazy that these people wanted to take away stuff like birth control and use it to control women.. that it was just about abortion..

 

[Optimus Prime]

Over the last five months of 2023, medicalproviders shipped abortion pills to over 40,000 people living in states that forbid abortions, via new “shield laws” that protect providers who mail pills to people living under abortion restrictions.

Researchers from #WeCount, a project by the Society of Family Planning that studies the impact of abortion restrictions following the toppling of Roe v Wade, first started tracking abortions performed through shield laws in July 2023.

In its Tuesday report, the researchers measured the impact of shield laws passed in five blue states – Colorado, Massachusetts, New York, Vermont and Washington state – that protect medical providers from legal repercussions if they ship abortion pills to people in defiance of state bans.……

New laws help people in US states with bans get abortion pills: ‘Most people don’t know it’s available’

‘Shield laws’ allowed medical providers to ship pills to over 40,000 people in states that forbid abortions in last five months of 2023

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Will there be a far right push to ban vasectomies?
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Significantly more young men are electing to get vasectomies after the Supreme Court ended Roe v Wade abortion protections across the US, researchers found.

University of Utah investigators said before the 2022 Supreme Court Dobbs decision, 6.2 percent of men under 30 reported obtaining vasectomies, according to a new study published in the American Urological Association. But after, that number jumped to 9.8 percent.

“There was a significant increase in patients <30 years pursuing permanent contraception post-Dobbs. The increased rate of vasectomies post-Dobbs was consistent among states regardless of the legal climate,” the study based on reporting to a national database reported.

In the wake of Roe being overturned, at least 27 states across the country have restricted or outlawed abortions, and some have placed criminal penalties on obtaining one. With more reproductive healthcare providers seeking work out of state to avoid strict laws and lawmakers targeting forms of contraception, the pressure to manage reproductive healthcare is front of mind for many young Americans.………

More young men getting vasectomies after Roe v Wade reversal

New data suggests young men are taking a new approach to birth control as abortion access becomes restrictive in some states

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

ATennessee woman who was denied an abortion despite a fatal abnormality says the state’s anti-abortion laws resulted in her losing an ovary, a fallopian tube and her hopes for a large family.

“The state of Tennessee took my fertility from me,” Breanna Cecil, 34, told The Independent.She added that state lawmakers “took away my opportunity to have a family like my own biological family because of these horrible laws that they put in place.”……

Tennessee woman denied abortion after fetus’ ‘brain not attached’ slams ban

State lawmakers ‘don’t see the mourning and the grieving that these moms’ experience after getting a heartbreaking diagnosis, Breanna Cecil tells Kelly Rissman

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MT15]

This is part and parcel of the attack on women that is being waged by the GOP. Women mainly benefit from no-fault divorce. They no longer need to prove abuse or mental cruelty, they can just get out. Which I don’t mean to make that sound easy, because it’s extremely difficult to leave an abuser.

 

[SamAndreas]

This is part and parcel of the attack on women that is being waged by the GOP. Women mainly benefit from no-fault divorce. They no longer need to prove abuse or mental cruelty, they can just get out. Which I don’t mean to make that sound easy, because it’s extremely difficult to leave an abuser.

As I recall Ben Carson's a medical doctor. A Seventh Day Adventist kind of doctor.

I grew up going to Seventh Day Doctors as a kid. Now I'm surrounded by them here. My actual local tiny clinic isn't Adventist, but all around me are from the good old Seventh Day.



They always have a place in their clinics to pray. And signs on the walls kind of telling one to do that.

I have an allergy for places like that.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Will there be a far right push to ban vasectomies?
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Significantly more young men are electing to get vasectomies after the Supreme Court ended Roe v Wade abortion protections across the US, researchers found.

University of Utah investigators said before the 2022 Supreme Court Dobbs decision, 6.2 percent of men under 30 reported obtaining vasectomies, according to a new study published in the American Urological Association. But after, that number jumped to 9.8 percent.

“There was a significant increase in patients <30 years pursuing permanent contraception post-Dobbs. The increased rate of vasectomies post-Dobbs was consistent among states regardless of the legal climate,” the study based on reporting to a national database reported.

In the wake of Roe being overturned, at least 27 states across the country have restricted or outlawed abortions, and some have placed criminal penalties on obtaining one. With more reproductive healthcare providers seeking work out of state to avoid strict laws and lawmakers targeting forms of contraception, the pressure to manage reproductive healthcare is front of mind for many young Americans.………

More young men getting vasectomies after Roe v Wade reversal

New data suggests young men are taking a new approach to birth control as abortion access becomes restrictive in some states

www.independent.co.uk

It would be poetic justice if the uptick in vasectomies was mostly white Christians and if that's the case, then the answer to your question is a resounding yes, there will absolutely be a far right push to ban vasectomies. White Christian babies are to the far right what cowbell is to Bruce Dickinson.

 

[SamAndreas]

It would be poetic justice if the uptick in vasectomies was mostly white Christians and if that's the case, then the answer to your question is a resounding yes, there will absolutely be a far right push to ban vasectomies. White Christian babies are to the far right what cowbell is to Bruce Dickinson.

The way vasectomies were handled was through Hospital Boards. A man would talk to their doctor, and then the doctor if approving would take it to the hospital board for their approval.

When my dad wanted one in 1964 he was approved after his doctor said he had three children. Had he not been older, and already had three children they would have not approved it in that town I grew up around.

It was the local city fathers, who also directed the hospital board, who decided the guidelines for that procedure. If a woman was married and didn't have children it was their view that the women would have the right to a husband who had not sterilized himself even if it were she who was pushing him to get one so they could have more sex.

They decided for everyone.

 

[LovesMusic7360]

Anti-Abortion Laws Linked To Increase In Domestic Violence Deaths, Study Shows

Laws zeroing in on abortion providers, known as TRAP laws, increase the rate of intimate partner violence related homicides.

www.yahoo.com

Apparently it may be that anti abortion laws increase domestic violence.

Also, i had no idea that the #1 cause of death for pregnant women was murder...

Oh yes the number one cause of death with pregnant women is murder and the person who usually murders them is the man who got her pregnant.

It's sick. The abortion bans will result in more domestic abuse and more pregnant women murdered.

This is what the forced birthers call pro life.

 

[LovesMusic7360]

Another christian who hates freedom of religion and believes freedom of religion means christians have the right to force their religion on the nation.

I'm not christian. Their bible and what their god says or thinks or whatever, has nothing to do with me.

If christians want to be fruitful and multiply go for it but I'm so sick and tired of christians forcing that on those of us who aren't christian.

I have always respected the constitution but republicans are making it nearly impossible for me to have any respect or tolerance for them and their religion.

Christian certainly don't respect me and my faith. I'm getting sick and tired of showing respect for people's faith who refuse reciprocate.

 

[LovesMusic7360]

ATennessee woman who was denied an abortion despite a fatal abnormality says the state’s anti-abortion laws resulted in her losing an ovary, a fallopian tube and her hopes for a large family.

“The state of Tennessee took my fertility from me,” Breanna Cecil, 34, told The Independent.She added that state lawmakers “took away my opportunity to have a family like my own biological family because of these horrible laws that they put in place.”……

Tennessee woman denied abortion after fetus’ ‘brain not attached’ slams ban

State lawmakers ‘don’t see the mourning and the grieving that these moms’ experience after getting a heartbreaking diagnosis, Breanna Cecil tells Kelly Rissman

www.independent.co.uk

She should sue the hospital, the doctors and the politicians who forced this on her.

If more people find themselves sued, maybe women will be able to get the proper health care they need.

It's blatant discrimination. No one puts any barriers or bans on any medical care men get but they put them on women which result in women nearly dying, losing their fertility and in many cases, life long health problems.

 

[LA - L.A.]

The way vasectomies were handled was through Hospital Boards. A man would talk to their doctor, and then the doctor if approving would take it to the hospital board for their approval.

When my dad wanted one in 1964 he was approved after his doctor said he had three children. Had he not been older, and already had three children they would have not approved it in that town I grew up around.

It was the local city fathers, who also directed the hospital board, who decided the guidelines for that procedure. If a woman was married and didn't have children it was their view that the women would have the right to a husband who had not sterilized himself even if it were she who was pushing him to get one so they could have more sex.

They decided for everyone.

Wow, that's so wild it reads like a fiction novel. I guess that's one of them state/local rights issues. I know men who got vasectomies in the 60's in Louisiana without having to get anyone's permission. I think that's how it should be.

 

[SamAndreas]

She should sue the hospital, the doctors and the politicians who forced this on her.

If more people find themselves sued, maybe women will be able to get the proper health care they need.

It's blatant discrimination. No one puts any barriers or bans on any medical care men get but they put them on women which result in women nearly dying, losing their fertility and in many cases, life long health problems.

The article talks about her current condition. She said:

"She added she still doesn’t feel normal more than a year after the pregnancy. Physically, she has a scar that stretches from her belly button down to her pelvic bone that has caused her fat to become displaced. Emotionally, she said, “I think about that baby all the time.”

"While she and her husband have been trying for another baby, she often breaks down and thinks, “I just want that baby. Why didn’t that work out?”

It would seem to me the weight and stress of taking on a legal dispute of that kind would be counterproductive insofar as her chances to patch her life back together. Insofar as recovering her health, that's the most important thing. Money from a court settlement comes from down the list.

Wow, that's so wild it reads like a fiction novel. I guess that's one of them state/local rights issues. I know men who got vasectomies in the 60's in Louisiana without having to get anyone's permission. I think that's how it should be.

That Lauren Boebert, she was the congress critter for the district where that happened. This happened there as well:

 

[Maxp]

Not many people have the fortitude and courage to legally challenge a hospital system and state government after dealing with such a traumatic event. And it is a trauma that stays with the woman forever. Waiting until a woman's life is threatened to terminate a non viable fetus will result in the woman being fully conscious for the entire operation. In states with humanity, women are given the option of sedation to avoid the psychological trauma if witnessing everything.

 

[LovesMusic7360]

The article talks about her current condition. She said:

"She added she still doesn’t feel normal more than a year after the pregnancy. Physically, she has a scar that stretches from her belly button down to her pelvic bone that has caused her fat to become displaced. Emotionally, she said, “I think about that baby all the time.”

"While she and her husband have been trying for another baby, she often breaks down and thinks, “I just want that baby. Why didn’t that work out?”

It would seem to me the weight and stress of taking on a legal dispute of that kind would be counterproductive insofar as her chances to patch her life back together. Insofar as recovering her health, that's the most important thing. Money from a court settlement comes from down the list.

That Lauren Boebert, she was the congress critter for the district where that happened. This happened there as well:

I don't think anyone can say what will help someone recover except the person who is harmed and trying to recover.

I can't speak for her but if that happened to me, suing everyone involved who caused such a nightmare and life long health problems would go a long way to help me recover.

Mostly, because it will help put a stop to all this.

I would feel much better knowing that no other woman would be forced to endure such a nightmare.

I would feel much better knowing that all those involved in causing this actually faced some sort of consequences for their actions.

The doctors and hospital put money before that woman's life. That's a violation of the doctor's Hippocratic oath. It's also a violation of all ethical and humane standards.

No man would ever have to face anything like this.