Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (2 Viewers)

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    Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

    Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

    As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

    Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

    How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

    Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    So for the populist right GOP, the list goes: abortion > military? I thought the military was above Jesus.

    It’s a bit surprising no one is calling him out on it.
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    You forgot that the populist right GOP believes the military is "woke" now. So the military can wither on a branch for all they care.

    They'll continue to chant "USA" though, have to be a good 'Merican.
     
    coldseat said:
    You forgot that the populist right GOP believes the military is "woke" now. So the military can wither on a branch for all they care.

    They'll continue to chant "USA" though, have to be a good 'Merican.
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    Ah yes, that's true. They hate that women are in uniform and minorities in positions of leadership. They literally believe that Russia has a better army (which is wildly hilarious after what we have seen in Ukraine).
     
    meanwhile in Idaho

    truthout.org

    Idaho Poised to Pass First Bill Banning Interstate Travel for Abortion

    Abortion advocates say the ban would be especially devastating for pregnant minors in abusive homes.
    truthout.org truthout.org

    House Bill 242 creates a brand new crime — abortion trafficking — that is defined as the transportation of an Idaho-based minor to another state for an abortion without their parents’ or guardians’ consent. The bill would make so-called abortion trafficking a felony offense that is punishable by two to five years in prison.

    The bill was passed earlier this month in the state House of Representatives, and was forwarded this week to the Republican-controlled Senate, where it is expected to pass. Pending any amendments, the bill would then advance to Gov. Brad Little (R), who has consistently backed anti-abortion measures in the state and is likely to sign the bill into law.
     
    zztop said:
    meanwhile in Idaho

    truthout.org

    Idaho Poised to Pass First Bill Banning Interstate Travel for Abortion

    Abortion advocates say the ban would be especially devastating for pregnant minors in abusive homes.
    truthout.org truthout.org

    House Bill 242 creates a brand new crime — abortion trafficking — that is defined as the transportation of an Idaho-based minor to another state for an abortion without their parents’ or guardians’ consent. The bill would make so-called abortion trafficking a felony offense that is punishable by two to five years in prison.

    The bill was passed earlier this month in the state House of Representatives, and was forwarded this week to the Republican-controlled Senate, where it is expected to pass. Pending any amendments, the bill would then advance to Gov. Brad Little (R), who has consistently backed anti-abortion measures in the state and is likely to sign the bill into law.
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    How is that even legal? Is there anything else that is legal in state A but not state B and state B can punish a resident who travels to and does the thing in state A
     
    Nope. Not that I know of. It’s a pretty diabolical piece of legislation that exposes abused minors to high risks. And criminalizes anyone who helps an abused/raped minor who ends up pregnant.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    How is that even legal? Is there anything else that is legal in state A but not state B and state B can punish a resident who travels to and does the thing in state A
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    Generally speaking you're right: a state has no jurisdiction over legal conduct in another state - and the Supreme Court has said that "free movement" among the states is a result of the Privileges and Immunities clause, and is a fundamental right.

    Idaho thinks they have gotten crafty enough with this to avoid these results. This article is better on that aspect of it:

    The legislation would create a whole new crime — dubbed “abortion trafficking” — which is defined in the bill as an “adult who, with the intent to conceal an abortion from the parents or guardian of a pregnant, unemancipated minor, either procures an abortion … or obtains an abortion-inducing drug” for the minor.
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    What they say they are punishing is activity that occurs in the state and that the bill doesn't make any reference to crossing state lines. Of course, you can't get an abortion in Idaho, so it necessarily involves crossing state lines and thus implicates free movement. But as free movement is a fundamental right, the law would get strict scrutiny.

    The way this one is tailored to only apply to adults who do this activity with minors with intent to conceal it from parents, seems like it might be narrow enough to survive but it's hard to say without seeing the briefing. And even if this does survive scrutiny, that doesn't mean they can just expand it beyond those parameters and get the same result..

    www.huffpost.com

    Idaho Is About To Be The First State To Restrict Interstate Travel For Abortion Post-Roe

    A bill would create a whole new crime — dubbed “abortion trafficking” — a felony offense that aims to limit minors’ ability to travel for abortion care without parental consent.
    www.huffpost.com www.huffpost.com
     
    superchuck500 said:
    Generally speaking you're right: a state has no jurisdiction over legal conduct in another state - and the Supreme Court has said that "free movement" among the states is a result of the Privileges and Immunities clause, and is a fundamental right.

    Idaho thinks they have gotten crafty enough with this to avoid these results. This article is better on that aspect of it:



    What they say they are punishing is activity that occurs in the state and that the bill doesn't make any reference to crossing state lines. Of course, you can't get an abortion in Idaho, so it necessarily involves crossing state lines and thus implicates free movement. But as free movement is a fundamental right, the law would get strict scrutiny.

    The way this one is tailored to only apply to adults who do this activity with minors with intent to conceal it from parents, seems like it might be narrow enough to survive but it's hard to say without seeing the briefing. And even if this does survive scrutiny, that doesn't mean they can just expand it beyond those parameters and get the same result..

    www.huffpost.com

    Idaho Is About To Be The First State To Restrict Interstate Travel For Abortion Post-Roe

    A bill would create a whole new crime — dubbed “abortion trafficking” — a felony offense that aims to limit minors’ ability to travel for abortion care without parental consent.
    www.huffpost.com www.huffpost.com
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    What if the child’s parent is responsible for the pregnancy? What should she do then, who will help that child? What if the child’s parents are abusive? The pregnancy is a health emergency, and this bill criminalizes people who would help that child.

    They don’t care about these girls, and if the courts let this stand then they don’t care about girls either. Of course, that fact has been shoved in all our faces anyway. All they care about is imposing their religious dogma on women.
     
    MT15 said:
    What if the child’s parent is responsible for the pregnancy? What should she do then, who will help that child? What if the child’s parents are abusive? The pregnancy is a health emergency, and this bill criminalizes people who would help that child.

    They don’t care about these girls, and if the courts let this stand then they don’t care about girls either. Of course, that fact has been shoved in all our faces anyway. All they care about is imposing their religious dogma on women.
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    That’s 100% true - they don’t give a crap about the girls they’re just trying to make it as criminal as they possibly can.

    Idaho is the worst, total fascist state.
     
    Anti-abortion groups are stepping up efforts to spread US-style abortion politics to the UK, ramping up spending with the ambition of shaking up political life beyond American borders.

    Fresh off their historic victory in bringing about the end of the constitutional right to abortion in the US, these groups are importing familiar tactics, including public protests and demonstrations, anti-abortion counseling centers or so-called “crisis pregnancy centers”, and the cultivation of ties with clerical leaders.

    These efforts are meeting significant opposition in Britain, where abortion access is widely supported and generally available up to 24 weeks and parliament recently passed legislation targeting harassment outside clinics. But reproductive rights advocacy groups are warily observing the US movement’s expansion.

    “That US Christian right and anti-abortion groups are establishing bases in the UK means that the issue of abortion – and related sexual and reproductive rights – will become increasingly contested in public debate and at a political level, even when there is broad social acceptance for the UK abortion model,” says Neil Datta, executive director of the European Parliamentary Forum for Sexual and Reproductive Health.

    “We can expect that the successes they have had in the US in these areas to be adapted to a UK context in the coming years.”

    ‘If we can do it – you can do it’​

    “Rethink Abortion Day,” a seminar that took place in February at St Mary’s College Oscott in Birmingham, England, illustrated the cross-border reach of some of the most prominent US-based activist groups.

    The event was aimed at motivating dozens of attendees to engage in anti-abortion activism. Fast-paced and interactive presentations urged them to participate in clinic demonstrations. Activists distributed pamphlets with anti-abortion talking points and rebuttals to pro-choice positions and during breakout sessions audience members rehearsed these arguments.

    Apart from the Catholic entities co-hosting the event – St Mary’s College Oscott is a Catholicseminary – the four groups principally involved in presentations were all UK affiliates of US-based organizations, and some presenters had deep tiesto other major groups in America’s Christian nationalist movement………

    www.theguardian.com

    ‘If we can do it, you can do it’: US anti-abortion groups ramp up activities in UK

    Emboldened by victories at home, some of the most prominent American anti-abortion groups are exporting their tactics overseas
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
     
    In Wisconsin, the R candidate for state Supreme Court just lost very convincingly. To a D woman. R candidate ran on upholding an abortion ban from the 1800s, and tried his best to find a way to overturn the 2020 election in Wisconsin. This is the deciding vote for the state Supreme Court. Overturning Roe did this, IMO, at least in large part.

     
    MT15 said:
    In Wisconsin, the R candidate for state Supreme Court just lost very convincingly. To a D woman. R candidate ran on upholding an abortion ban from the 1800s, and tried his best to find a way to overturn the 2020 election in Wisconsin. This is the deciding vote for the state Supreme Court. Overturning Roe did this, IMO, at least in large part.

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    Daniel Kelly said in his concession speech that Wisconsin could have had the rule of law, but now they have the Rule of Janet. I am on board with this. It sounds like a forgotten cult classic 80's sitcom. And you know, Kelly is a right-wing whackjob.

    Edit: Not a concession speech. Apparently, it was a refusal to concede because he's a whiny baby.
     
    cuddlemonkey said:
    Daniel Kelly said in his concession speech that Wisconsin could have had the rule of law, but now they have the Rule of Janet. I am on board with this. It sounds like a forgotten cult classic 80's sitcom. And you know, Kelly is a right-wing whackjob.

    Edit: Not a concession speech. Apparently, it was a refusal to concede because he's a whiny baby.
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    ……On Tuesday night, Kelly accused Protasiewicz of spreading “rancid slanders” and said he did not have a “worthy opponent to which I can concede.”

    He said he respected the voters’ decision but feared for the future of the court.
“I wish Wisconsin the best of luck because I think it’s going to need it,” he said, speaking from a rural, lakeside hotel 70 miles north of Madison…….

     
    MT15 said:
    In Wisconsin, the R candidate for state Supreme Court just lost very convincingly. To a D woman. R candidate ran on upholding an abortion ban from the 1800s, and tried his best to find a way to overturn the 2020 election in Wisconsin. This is the deciding vote for the state Supreme Court. Overturning Roe did this, IMO, at least in large part.

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    Yup, this is great news, the R party needs to pay for their BS....and it appears that has been happening, hope it continues....
     
    MT15 said:
    In Wisconsin, the R candidate for state Supreme Court just lost very convincingly. To a D woman. R candidate ran on upholding an abortion ban from the 1800s, and tried his best to find a way to overturn the 2020 election in Wisconsin. This is the deciding vote for the state Supreme Court. Overturning Roe did this, IMO, at least in large part.

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    without any baseless allegations of voter fraud?
     

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