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But they sure have no problem wanting that State Sales Tax and Federal Income tax money... and then some states such as California even go so far as forcing the owners to make Strippers Employees and collect FICA taxes from them...

I guess Strip Club DJ's, Bartenders, Waitress', Cooks, Security Staff and Managers just aren't Honorable Citizens...

*sigh*
 
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Every single sub-contractor that works for me is required to have worker's comp and general liability. We have a contract they sign that dictates they have to carry it and they name us as additionally insured so we get a notice if their policy cancels. No coverage, no check. We keep the contracts on file for our auditor to review each year. We have tried to work our way out of having exempted subs, but it's pretty tough when the small subs can be much cheaper by not having to pay 20 to 30c per dollar of wage in work comp.
So DTC, if the state of FL gives you the go ahead in the next couple of weeks are you going to start construction back up even if you think the governor's decision was wrong?

I am not trying to play gotcha, personally I think construction should be allowed due to the fact it is largely done in the sunlight.
 

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Every single sub-contractor that works for me is required to have worker's comp and general liability. We have a contract they sign that dictates they have to carry it and they name us as additionally insured so we get a notice if their policy cancels. No coverage, no check. We keep the contracts on file for our auditor to review each year. We have tried to work our way out of having exempted subs, but it's pretty tough when the small subs can be much cheaper by not having to pay 20 to 30c per dollar of wage in work comp.
Roofers pay 30c per dollar. They get mauled.

But idk what FL rates are like for any class codes. So that may be close to avg.
 

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Roofers pay 30c per dollar. They get mauled.

But idk what FL rates are like for any class codes. So that may be close to avg.
I believe roofers are 54. Framers are 44.
 

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So DTC, if the state of FL gives you the go ahead in the next couple of weeks are you going to start construction back up even if you think the governor's decision was wrong?

I am not trying to play gotcha, personally I think construction should be allowed due to the fact it is largely done in the sunlight.
Never stopped. We've never been ordered to stop, but we did take precautions.

1 crew on a job at a time.

No crews in occupied homes.

Stopped jobs where there were owners present except to finish exterior work where we could have crews away from houses.

added hand washing stations to our jobsite bathrooms

We've always been picky about post-construction clean up and now it's even more detailed.

Our office has gone to teleconference and video conferences for design meetings and there are hand sanitizers, masks and lysol spray everywhere. Everyone wipes down door handles and surfaces religiously and we run a big negative air machine in the office 24/7. Ozone runs at night.

All jobs are being cleaned inside after construction with neg-air and ozone and our cleaning crew has begun using some brand new products from microsure that are long-lasting antimicrobial coatings.

Doing the best we can with what we have.
 

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Since I have recently looked over the SBA loan application form we received from our bank, I’m going to have to question the premise of this thread. I don’t see anywhere on the application where it asks what type of business you have.

How would the SBA discriminate against strip clubs? I don’t see how this is possible. Maybe I am missing something?
 

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Since I have recently looked over the SBA loan application form we received from our bank, I’m going to have to question the premise of this thread. I don’t see anywhere on the application where it asks what type of business you have.

How would the SBA discriminate against strip clubs? I don’t see how this is possible. Maybe I am missing something?
Yes, you need to dig a little deeper. I think a search for businesses that are ineligible for SBA virus relief will do the trick.
 

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Since I have recently looked over the SBA loan application form we received from our bank, I’m going to have to question the premise of this thread. I don’t see anywhere on the application where it asks what type of business you have.

How would the SBA discriminate against strip clubs? I don’t see how this is possible. Maybe I am missing something?
There was a part on the end of the application where you have to certify you're an American and that you're not involved in stripping, prostitution, porn or other professions REpublicans disapprove of.
 

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I think people directly effected by this should consider voting for someone else...but that isn't my business, as they say:


 

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There was a part on the end of the application where you have to certify you're an American and that you're not involved in stripping, prostitution, porn or other professions Republicans disapprove of.
I think people directly effected by this should consider voting for someone else...but that isn't my business, as they say:


Seems like revisionist history. The SBA Loan Program has excluded loans to businesses that "Present live performances of a prurient sexual nature" since 1996: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-1996-01-31/pdf/96-1432.pdf#page=10 (see page 15).
This is not something Trump or this Congress added
 

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Seems like revisionist history. The SBA Loan Program has excluded loans to businesses that "Present live performances of a prurient sexual nature" since 1996: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-1996-01-31/pdf/96-1432.pdf#page=10 (see page 15).
This is not something Trump or this Congress added
I didn't say he did. I'm saying the American people, folks like the OP, should be vehemently against it. The US govt has no place dictating what is and isn't moral in allowing businesses they allow to be open anyway to live or die.
 

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I didn't say he did. I'm saying the American people, folks like the OP, should be vehemently against it. The US govt has no place dictating what is and isn't moral in allowing businesses they allow to be open anyway to live or die.
The link you provided has a headline saying "Trump Admin Goes Full Puritan, Excludes Sex Related Business From Covod-19 Financial Aid" That more than implies that the Trump Administration is responsible for it.

Regardless - I agree with you. It should not be in there. Perhaps this provides an opportunity to change the SBA law.
 

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Seems like revisionist history. The SBA Loan Program has excluded loans to businesses that "Present live performances of a prurient sexual nature" since 1996: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-1996-01-31/pdf/96-1432.pdf#page=10 (see page 15).
This is not something Trump or this Congress added
I didn't revise anything. I just said it was there and it was wrong. Same as you.

I also can damn sure guarantee which party put that nonsense in there and it's the same one that seems to think we're all equal as long as we are white, hetero, Christians.
 

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Look! Bigots! No, not me - over there! Those guys.
Yes, those guys. The people who elect the guys who enact policies which treat strippers, porn actors, Christians, Muslims, gays and others differently are bigots and they are overwhelmingly Republican.

You can pretend what I'm saying isn't true or call if cucky or virtue-signaling or whatever code words you like, but we all know it's true. One party supports policies which treat non-white, non-straight and non-Christians differently than the rest of us.
 

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There was a part on the end of the application where you have to certify you're an American and that you're not involved in stripping, prostitution, porn or other professions REpublicans disapprove of.
Thank you, I must have skipped over that part. I was pleasantly surprised that the application is pretty simple and straightforward though.

Also, it doesn’t matter at this point in time if this exclusion has been in there before. Fact is it’s in there now and therefore this administration owns it just as much as previous ones. It’s wrong no matter who does it.
 

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There was a part on the end of the application where you have to certify you're an American and that you're not involved in stripping, prostitution, porn or other professions REpublicans disapprove of.
Went back and reread. There is nothing on the application I have about stripping. The only thing it asks about is criminal activity, that’s it. 🤷‍♀️

Is it possible different states are using different forms? I can’t imagine that would be the case, but who knows?
 
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Went back and reread. There is nothing on the application I have about stripping. The only thing it asks about is criminal activity, that’s it. 🤷‍♀️

Is it possible different states are using different forms? I can’t imagine that would be the case, but who knows?
I am trying to find the online application that I saw that had a reference to it.. But that was weeks ago.

I don't remember if it was the State or Federal app.. But there was a question that asked? "Is this business associated with a sexual nature?" or sum such...

But I can;t find it to save my life now... Since the April 16th deadline for OKC's City Coucil Emrgency loans has past. Thier Application has been removed from thier website and replaced with re-opening the cities timelines.

but let me just say... The question was asked on one of the applications that I read... Also it was an online application that I did not complete because I had to discuss it first because of the sensative nature of both IS it a Sexualy Oriented Business and also the Independent Contractor vs. Employee situation.

Now as to the strippers and Employee question... Let me just tell you a quick little tale.. about waitress'...

and it never fails....

You get a girl that comes in wants to waitress'... You go through all the paperwork, procedure, ID's, Liquor license, W-4 form... The whole nine yards... She gets $2.13 per hour...

She works about 3 hours and decides this just isn't for her so she walks off the job after you did all that paperwork and training only to never see of hear from her again....

and then... and then... 8 months later she shows up out of the blue and says: "I'm here to get my check.".. It never fails.
 

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Went back and reread. There is nothing on the application I have about stripping. The only thing it asks about is criminal activity, that’s it. 🤷‍♀️

Is it possible different states are using different forms? I can’t imagine that would be the case, but who knows?
13 CFR Section 120.110(p)(1).
 

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