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Trump and Eastman appear to be preparing to be indicted. It’s probably better to have a new, separate thread for this case.
Special Counsel January 6 conspiracy case against Trump in DC (Update: Trial set for March 4, 2024) (1 Viewer)
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At least seven currently serving advisers to former president Donald Trump took actions that are mentioned prominently in one of his three criminal indictments or have been interviewed by prosecutors, potentially setting up uncomfortable situations in which they are working for his 2024 presidential bid while also serving as witnesses at one of his upcoming trials.
They include his top presidential campaign adviser, as well as a senior communications aide and several other campaign staffers. Walt Nauta, his closest personal aide who is frequently at his side on the campaign trail, is now a co-defendant in the case in which Trump is accused of mishandling classified documents.
Other witnesses could be drawn from a broader network of former Trump employees, political associates and longtime allies. Even the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, a longtime Trump ally who would be responsible for helping Trump win the White House should he become the party’s nominee, could be forced to take the witness stand.
Their roles add another awkward dimension to the never-before-seen prospect of a former president and possible major-party nominee standing trial while running for president. The aides’ involvement in the legal cases could further complicate their scheduling and discussions with the candidate, the front-runner for the Republican nomination, who relies on a relatively small staff……
They include his top presidential campaign adviser, as well as a senior communications aide and several other campaign staffers. Walt Nauta, his closest personal aide who is frequently at his side on the campaign trail, is now a co-defendant in the case in which Trump is accused of mishandling classified documents.
Other witnesses could be drawn from a broader network of former Trump employees, political associates and longtime allies. Even the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, a longtime Trump ally who would be responsible for helping Trump win the White House should he become the party’s nominee, could be forced to take the witness stand.
Their roles add another awkward dimension to the never-before-seen prospect of a former president and possible major-party nominee standing trial while running for president. The aides’ involvement in the legal cases could further complicate their scheduling and discussions with the candidate, the front-runner for the Republican nomination, who relies on a relatively small staff……
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I really want off this bus ride. This is just insane for one ridiculous failure born with a silver spoon up his butt. [edit: <-- Sorry this is frustration boiling over from the whole saga and not at this perspective, even if I disagree with it. I am flabbergasted that we don't have an overwhelming rebuke of this as the nation did for Nixon once it's obvious he was guilty.] If he wants appeals, let him have it. If the documents case in fl showed us anything, these appeals judges mean business and are willing to expedite the process. So much so as to smack down a highly unqualified trumpian judge. The dc judges attended his arraignment. They understand the severity of this to our rule of law. If indeed he crosses the witness tampering, as it appears with his latest post, put him in jail. The cowards that stormed our capitol cried like babies at their sentencing. They aren’t so tough without a mob behind them. and unless I’m mistaken, there have not been much of a mob at any of his arraignment. This strategy of bending over backwards is precisely what this bully wants. He wants jail, give it to him.
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Spot on. You don't appease Hitler, you stand up to him. You don't appease Putin, you stand up to him. You don't appease Trump, you stand up to him.
The only way bullies get their way is when people try appeasing them instead of standing up to them.
You scorch their drawers before they scorch the Earth.
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Right. Someone in his camp understands the gravity of his potential violation of the arraignment agreement with the "it was the 1st amendment" defense press release. He definitely doesn't with the subsequent attack on pence.
He has one mantra and it's to attack attack attack. Letting him skirt the law is why he's in this position of tanking this country. Not holding him accountable for his myriad of offenses....from this "firing Comey over this Russia thing" to blackmailing zelensky to McCarthy bending the knee after Jan 6th, heck of all the crap people let him get away with before his political career, only emboldens him. Just as if he wins this next election, he will poop on the constitution. If the tell is that the law will be bent for his sake, he will only bend it further till it breaks.
Again, I'm of the mind that the fear of violent reprisal is overblown. Many of the idiots have been prosecuted. He is using that fear to scare us. Just as a mob boss would use the threat of violence against witnesses or the community for his sake. It won't end till someone stands up to this bully. This mob boss.
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If Trump committed 'a technical violation of the Constitution,' it's not a crime, his lawyer says
Later on NBC's "Meet the Press," Rep. Jamie Raskin, who sat on the House panel that investigated the Capitol riot, said Lauro’s argument was “deranged.”
www.nbcnews.comHis lawyer thinks he broke the law. However, he conveniently forgets all the fake electors and coercion campaign of state officials. Oh the planning that Bannon, Clark, Eastman, Giuliani etc openly boast.
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Trump lawyer says Pence will be defense's "best witness" in 2020 election case as former VP disputes claims
Former Vice President Mike Pence is a key figure in the prosecution's case against former President Donald Trump.
www.cbsnews.comOh yeah, they're definitely going with the "throw Eastman under the bus" defense.
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Trump lawyer says Pence will be defense's "best witness" in 2020 election case as former VP disputes claims
Former Vice President Mike Pence is a key figure in the prosecution's case against former President Donald Trump.
Oh yeah, they're definitely going with the "throw Eastman under the bus" defense.
There are legal ways to deal with those issues if he really believed that and he lost at every point. Multiple courts throughout the country had ruled that there was no fraud. Even if he ignored all those rulings and only believed what a single lawyer claimed that someone had broken the law, That would still not be a legal excuse for you to break the law.
Uri, and others: Well, I’d much rather have him convicted before the Nov. election, than have this case tied up in appeals and whatnot, especially to this particular SCOTUS.
I just want him convicted. He wants to make this a First Amendment issue, and right now it is not. I get how frustrating it is to see him prattle on, but these are never direct threats, really. They are just statements of his opinion. I truly get the frustration, but I think this case has a real chance to go off the rails pre-trial if they jail him for expressing his crazy and wrong opinions.
I think DOJ needs to hold their powder and get him for what he did, not what he says.
The only bleat that was close to a direct threat was his ‘if you come after me’ one, and Jack promptly put it in a filing, whereupon Trump backpedaled. The rest of what I have seen are not really threats. Now, I could be completely wrong, because IANAL. I wouldn’t mind him getting hauled back up to DC so the judge can give him a lecture. That would be fun.
I just think one of the few plays he has is to drag this out past the election, and he sees his bleating as a way to drag it out.
I just want him convicted. He wants to make this a First Amendment issue, and right now it is not. I get how frustrating it is to see him prattle on, but these are never direct threats, really. They are just statements of his opinion. I truly get the frustration, but I think this case has a real chance to go off the rails pre-trial if they jail him for expressing his crazy and wrong opinions.
I think DOJ needs to hold their powder and get him for what he did, not what he says.
The only bleat that was close to a direct threat was his ‘if you come after me’ one, and Jack promptly put it in a filing, whereupon Trump backpedaled. The rest of what I have seen are not really threats. Now, I could be completely wrong, because IANAL. I wouldn’t mind him getting hauled back up to DC so the judge can give him a lecture. That would be fun.
I just think one of the few plays he has is to drag this out past the election, and he sees his bleating as a way to drag it out.
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Trump lawyer says Pence will be defense's "best witness" in 2020 election case as former VP disputes claims
Former Vice President Mike Pence is a key figure in the prosecution's case against former President Donald Trump.
Oh yeah, they're definitely going with the "throw Eastman under the bus" defense.
Pence’s staff counsel told Eastman days before January 6 that he was going to need a very good criminal lawyer. The defense that they all thought Eastman’s plan had merit is junk.
Almost everything his lawyer says on TV is junk, IMO.
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I get that. I want him convicted as badly as anyone. But we cannot let him slide if he is to tamper and intimidate witnesses. He won't ever stop gaslighting. And I really trust the appeals circuit to expedite this. He is going to try to delay no matter what the DOJ does or judge rules. He has already called to change the judge and venue citing bias. That's his game. The SC has already called his bluster with a preemptive protective order.
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So if I am Eastman, and think clearly, I would cooperate and plead this out. Trump's lawyer seems to suggest it's all him and the other lawyers and Trump is following advice of counsel.
He can try, and you’re right he should try. I’m not sure how well it will work when he was the one who came up with the extra-legal plan.
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Yeah true. I was to say plea out to get the bigger fish. Though, I can’t think of what he has to offer other than Trump’s receptiveness to his plan. The doj has that already from other witnesses, I assume.
Yeah he needs a good lawyer.
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Part of me wonders if that is the reason Smith spent so much time identifying (without naming) the co-conspirators, and spelling out in detail what they each did. That way, when Trump takes the obvious step of trying to throw his co-conspirators under the bus for the crimes, those individuals will have an incentive to run to the prosecutors with all of the evidence they have to try and make a deal so that they don't end up holding the bag.
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