Reports (w/ multiple sources) detail Trump's pattern of disrespecting military casualties (2 Viewers)

[nolaspe]

Another article about trumps slipping support with the military
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The weekend warriors in their Army surplus battle rattle, their paintball weapons and gun show specials are getting lots of love from this clown show’s commander in chief.

“GREAT PATRIOTS!” President Trump tweeted, along with a video of the vigilantes flouting the law and causing disorder while cruising the streets of an American city.

Meanwhile, the real defenders of freedom — the men and women of the U.S. military — aren’t getting love from Trump. And they’re sure not giving it.

Unsurprising, given the way Trump didn’t even blink at reports that Russia was paying bounties to Afghan troops for American kills.

Or that he was impeached for withholding military aid to Ukraine, putting global trust in America’s military at risk.

Or that he keeps trying to take millions in military funding — gutting plenty of military projects right here in the D.C. region, including a day care for military kids — to build his wall.........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/support-for-trump-appears-to-be-slipping-in-the-military-and-no-wonder/2020/08/31/7748cf3e-ebb9-11ea-b4bc-3a2098fc73d4_story.html

VoteVets.org just posted this on fbook...

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[bdb13]

And yes, it would help if someone would just man up and but their name next to this if it's true.

 

[SaintForLife]

I'm not trying to be an arse, but how do we know they didn't just make that up back then?

What makes you think it's a fake document?

 

[CoolBrees]

Two things-

1) why didn’t they post the actual FOIA submittal? And they don’t come via email.

2) All that FOIA does is give the reason written.Are you sayin NOW that government is totally forthcoming in their documents?

And Steven Miller is a racist toad.

 

[SaintForLife]

And yes, it would help if someone would just man up and but their name next to this if it's true.

I agree and why did it take them 2 years to say anything? I doubt that it's a coincidence that the story was leaked 60 days before the election.

 

[bdb13]

What makes you think it's a fake document?

I'm not saying the document is fake, I'm saying how do we know the reason cited in that document wasn't the cover used for him not to attend back then?

 

[CoolBrees]

Maybe people are remaining anonymous is because anyone who dared testify had their lives and careers destroyed?

Ask Lt. Col Vindman and his twin brother about it.

 

[CoolBrees]

And I have asked you before @SaintForLife -

Do you ever get tired of defending the indefensible?

 

[bdb13]

I agree and why did it take them 2 years to say anything? I doubt that it's a coincidence that the story was leaked 60 days before the election.

I don't think it's a coincidence either and I can understand scrutinizing the timing of it.. but I also don't view that or the anonymous sources as compelling enough reasons to dismiss the accusation.

Again, the biggest thing that works against Trump here is this sounds just like something Trump, it all his egotism and false bravado on constant display, would say.

 

[MT15]

I'm not saying the document is fake, I'm saying how do we know the reason cited in that document wasn't the cover used for him not to attend back then?

IMO, this is most likely what happened. Trump could have gone to the cemetery just like all the other dignitaries. But, he didn’t want to stand in the rain, and when his aides pushed back that he should go, he spouted off about the war dead like a spoiled child would. Said this really vile stuff that is being reported now. Because this is totally in character with him, you can almost hear him saying it.

So, after he threw his tantrum and refused to go, they had to make up a cover story. And there you have this document. (Which was produced pretty fast, if you’re going to question anything, which is just hilarious.)

SFL, you can question this whole story, but you know deep down it’s all true. This is totally who he is. Now that he is confronted with his words, possibly said in a fit of pique, he’s of course going to deny everything. But the essence of the man is in those quotes. He cannot understand how anyone would ever do anything without getting something out of it. People who do things in the service of others are “suckers” to him.

 

[CoolBrees]

I mean the timing is an Article by the Atlantic- a non-partisan publication btw- not from the DNC or Huffington Post or something.

I would HOPE of they were going to levy such strong armed accusations they would take their time and make sure it is accurate.

 

[MT15]

I know it was mentioned already, but the AP and WaPo both independently verified the story. It’s not like this is just one entity saying it’s true.

 

[MT15]

I agree and why did it take them 2 years to say anything? I doubt that it's a coincidence that the story was leaked 60 days before the election.

the reporter, who is widely respected, said he has been working on it for over a year, IIRC. Back when the trip took place I remember reading rumors about Trump not wanting to go to the cemetery for no good reason. But it was just rumors back then. He probably got wind of it at the time, and it just took this long to get everything lined up.

People can have lots of valid reasons for waiting a while to say something about a former or current boss. The timing could be worse for him, though. In his own words, it is what it is.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Where is the cover left to support this dude? Seriously? Our DEAD military are suckers and losers and poor at their job for getting killed bro?! After all that flag hugging and anthem bullshirt?

It simply boils down to the fact that Republicans are either bold face liars, hypocrites or they actually believe and support the things Trump is saying and doing. There are no other options. It is one of the 3 (or all of the 3) and none of them are trustworthy.

 

[efil4]

Yeah how dare I point out the one of the main parts of the story isn't true per FOIA documents.

You have absolutely ZERO proof that ANYTHING in those tweets are remotely original documents.

You simply take "their word for it" because it plays to your narrative.

You CLAMMOR on ALL THE TIME about how Fake the media is, yet when something is presented you, that aligns with your defense of Trump, you take it as fact.

Its the mental gymnastics.

The FOIA document was from Nov 2018...replied to Apr 2019 yet doesnt say what was released. Then you offer a second set of "screen shots" of emails, ANY of which can be reproduced sitting at MSFT WORD

How dare you is in regards to you believing some random Twitter dude over senior US military officials. I dont give two !@#!@# what your stance is on truth. If you are willing to stand here today, defend Trump and denounce the US Military as some lying, underhanded and political organization, thats on you.

But rest assured, those officials have served YOU and YOUR country, some long before you were born. Ill trust that their info is not only accurate, but that it happened EXACTLY they way they described.

Trump called McCain a loser on TV. Not conjecture. Not anecdotal. And that was in 2015. He didnt have an epiphany. He got his arse handed to him by the father of a KIA Seal and since hasnt returned to Dover but once. Sat at a dinner table w/ Bannon and Kushner as he ordered the failed raid in Yemen.

The same guy who SWORE he would spend more time in the WH than any President before him.

Hes a liar. Hes a coward.

I know it. Most know it.

But more importantly, you know it.

Yet you STILL cannot bring yourself to condemn the language he uses to describe folks not named Trump.

Says a whole lot about who you are.

 

[The moose]

I stand corrected. Here comes SFL with his running obfuscation for his pal.

Come on you he had to post a bunch of tweets.

He is who we thought he was

 

[SaintForLife]

SFL-

Is the irony of you using Techno Fog as a source to decry anonymous sources lost on you or do you simply not care?

I posted 2 people who posted the documents. The original source is Buzzfeed's Jason Leopold who is no Trump supporter.

 

[SaintForLife]

Maybe people are remaining anonymous is because anyone who dared testify had their lives and careers destroyed?

Ask Lt. Col Vindman and his twin brother about it.

According to Goldberg the "sources" didn't want to get angry tweets.

 

[efil4]

Come on you he had to post a bunch of tweets.

He is who we thought he was

Honestly moose, i truly thought that a) they wouldnt even show up or b) if they did, would show some repent for Trumps rhetoric.

Seriously.

I truly didnt think any of them would even attempt to defend/deflect.

SFL did. no sooner than it took me to pen my first reply.

Its clear the kind of man SFL is. There will still be some that will attempt to have a dialogue with him. Im not that guy. Not any longer.