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    Almost put this in the Media Tracker thread

    Interesting read and definitely goes against the commonly heard narrative
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    Every news outlet from FOX to CNN to The New York Times to local newspapers has a story with attention-grabbing headlines like “US cities hit all-time murder records.” Fox News and Republicans have jumped on this and framed it as a “Democrat” problem. They blame it on Democrat’s “soft-on-crime” approach and have even referred to a New York District Attorney’s approach as “hug-a-thug.” Many news stories outside of Fox have also purported that police reform is responsible for this rise in murder and have pointed to cities like New York and Los Angeles.

    There is a measure of truth to these stories. The US saw an alarming 30% increase in murder in 2020. While 2021 data is not yet complete, murder was on the rise again this past year. Some “blue” cities, like Chicago, Baltimore, and Philadelphia, have seen real and persistent increases in homicides. These cities—along with others like Los Angeles, New York, and Minneapolis—are also in places with wall-to-wall media coverage and national media interest.

    But there is a large piece of the homicide story that is missing and calls into question the veracity of the right-wing obsession over homicides in Democratic cities: murder rates are far higher in Trump-voting red states than Biden-voting blue states. And sometimes, murder rates are highest in cities with Republican mayors.

    For example, Jacksonville, a city with a Republican mayor, had 128 more murders in 2020 than San Francisco, a city with a Democrat mayor, despite their comparable populations. In fact, the homicide rate in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco was half that of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s Bakersfield, a city with a Republican mayor that overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Yet there is barely a whisper, let alone an outcry, over the stunning levels of murders in these and other places.

    We collected 2019 and 2020 murder data from all 50 states. (Comprehensive 2021 data is not yet available.) We pulled the data from yearly crime reports released by state governments, specifically the Departments of Justice and Safety. For states that didn’t issue state crime reports, we pulled data from reputable local news sources. To allow for comparison, we calculated the state’s per capita murder rate, the number of murders per 100,000 residents, and categorized states by their presidential vote in the 2020 election, resulting in an even 25-25 split.

    We found that murder rates are, on average, 40% higher in the 25 states Donald Trump won in the last presidential election compared to those that voted for Joe Biden. In addition, murder rates in many of these red states dwarf those in blue states like New York, California, and Massachusetts. And finally, many of the states with the worst murder rates—like Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama, South Carolina, and Arkansas—are ones that few would describe as urban. Only 2 of America’s top 100 cities in population are located in these high murder rate states. And not a single one of the top 10 murder states registers in the top 15 for population density.

    Whether one does or does not blame Republican leaders for high murder rates, it seems that Republican officeholders do a better job of blaming Democrats for lethal crime than actually reducing lethal crime.

    Trump-Voting States Account for 8 out of the 10 Highest Murder Rates in 2020.​

    If you’re tuned in to the media, you’d think murder is rocketing skyward in New York, California, Illinois. But those states don’t even crack the top ten............

    Three of the five states with the largest increase in murder rate were Trump-voting Wyoming at 91.7%, South Dakota at 69%, and Nebraska at 59.1%. These states are decidedly rural and do not conform to the chaos-in-the-city meme that has overtaken the crime debate. Biden-voting Wisconsin came in at the number three spot at 63.2% and Minnesota came in fifth at 58.1%. Out of the top ten states, six were Trump-voting states—with the additional three being Kentucky, West Virginia, and Kansas. The remaining states in the top ten were Delaware and Washington. Only one of the top ten states in murder rate increases, Delaware, was among the top twenty in population density......



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    Lol you can dredge data and come up with any agenda driven outcome you’d like. Let’s see the numbers for every murder and which party runs the city the numbers are in.

    You can't find a city with over million people that has a Republican mayor. Jacksonville Florida is the largest city with a Republican mayor, and it's the murder capital of Florida.

    The point of the thread was that if Republican criminal justice policies worked you would see a reduction in crime. That seemed to woosh right past you.
     
    This has nothing to do with public safety or caring about people in urban areas. It's political rhetoric designed to inflame the right wing political base while pulling in moderate and swing voters. More importantly it's about RACE because you can point to those "pathological " blacks and their bleeding heart liberal Democrat benefactors who ruin everything. The message is clear VOTE REPUBLICAN.
     
    (I think TX already has a similar law)

    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis promised Friday that the state will have a “constitutional carry” law at some point before he leaves office. The measure would most likely allow Floridians to carry firearms without a permit or required safety training
     
    When we think about crime, most of us envision pictures of urban scenes: a shooting in a bar, a carjacking on a street corner, organized thefts from downtown stores.

    So when crime becomes an “issue” — not just a thing that happens but a topic of political argument and debate over policy solutions — that context determines what we decide ought to be done about it.


    Which is why some new reporting in the Wall Street Journal is such an important challenge to the way we’ve been thinking about crime, now that it has again become a political issue.

    As the Journal reports, the increase in crime, particularly homicides, that came with the onset of the coronavirus pandemic in 2020 has not just been an urban phenomenon.

    Rural areas too have experienced more murders in recent years, leaving many communities reeling.


    Here’s the big picture:


    Violent crime isn’t just rising in the nation’s cities. Murder rates across the rural U.S. have soared during the pandemic, data show, bringing the kind of extreme violence long associated with major metropolises to America’s smallest communities.


    Homicide rates in rural America rose 25% in 2020, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It was the largest rural increase since the agency began tracking such data in 1999.

    The individual stories are awful: shootings, stabbings; old victims, young victims; places where a murder happens only once every few years suddenly reporting a half-dozen homicides in a single year.


    So how do we explain this? None of the things conservatives blame for crime — progressive prosecutors, lenient Democratic politicians, police feeling disrespected by racial justice protests, a lack of religious piety — are present in these places.


    If — as we’ve all been told again and again — voters are fed up with “soft on crime” Democrats and are ready to “send them a message” in November’s midterm elections, to whom should a message be sent about the rural crime wave?

    And what should that message be?…..

     
    frumpy wants, and bannon helps, get rural voters gigged up by finding a local nut to run for
    local office...county clerk mayor judge etc. then districts on up.
    this way they feel they think and in some cases they are increasing their presence in all our lives.

    from crazi lazer beam lady to blowbert in CO...these are the types the frumpies/bannon WANT
    in local office. they want More of this and wont stop coughing up "donation" monies to them.
    prolly the biggest money laundering op around is "campaign finance".....
     
    frumpy wants, and bannon helps, get rural voters gigged up by finding a local nut to run for
    local office...county clerk mayor judge etc. then districts on up.
    this way they feel they think and in some cases they are increasing their presence in all our lives.

    from crazi lazer beam lady to blowbert in CO...these are the types the frumpies/bannon WANT
    in local office. they want More of this and wont stop coughing up "donation" monies to them.
    prolly the biggest money laundering op around is "campaign finance".....
    Crowflies, Regarding these "Frumpy". "Crazi lazer beam lady" and "blowbert" type references. They are considered partisan triggering and are not allowed on this board.

    From the MCB posting guidelines.

    "-We do not allow the use of buzzwords or commonly used terms intended to trigger the opposition (TDS, Dear leader, snowflake, deplorable, etc.) on the MCB"
     
    IIRC, studies have confirmed that harsher penalties do not deter violent crime.

    Is driving like a jackass a violent crime because I'd bet a few 15 yr sentences would calm down the donuts on Main Street crowd real quick.
     
    Almost put this in the Media Tracker thread

    Interesting read and definitely goes against the commonly heard narrative
    =================================================

    Every news outlet from FOX to CNN to The New York Times to local newspapers has a story with attention-grabbing headlines like “US cities hit all-time murder records.” Fox News and Republicans have jumped on this and framed it as a “Democrat” problem. They blame it on Democrat’s “soft-on-crime” approach and have even referred to a New York District Attorney’s approach as “hug-a-thug.” Many news stories outside of Fox have also purported that police reform is responsible for this rise in murder and have pointed to cities like New York and Los Angeles.

    There is a measure of truth to these stories. The US saw an alarming 30% increase in murder in 2020. While 2021 data is not yet complete, murder was on the rise again this past year. Some “blue” cities, like Chicago, Baltimore, and Philadelphia, have seen real and persistent increases in homicides. These cities—along with others like Los Angeles, New York, and Minneapolis—are also in places with wall-to-wall media coverage and national media interest.

    But there is a large piece of the homicide story that is missing and calls into question the veracity of the right-wing obsession over homicides in Democratic cities: murder rates are far higher in Trump-voting red states than Biden-voting blue states. And sometimes, murder rates are highest in cities with Republican mayors.

    For example, Jacksonville, a city with a Republican mayor, had 128 more murders in 2020 than San Francisco, a city with a Democrat mayor, despite their comparable populations. In fact, the homicide rate in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco was half that of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s Bakersfield, a city with a Republican mayor that overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Yet there is barely a whisper, let alone an outcry, over the stunning levels of murders in these and other places.

    We collected 2019 and 2020 murder data from all 50 states. (Comprehensive 2021 data is not yet available.) We pulled the data from yearly crime reports released by state governments, specifically the Departments of Justice and Safety. For states that didn’t issue state crime reports, we pulled data from reputable local news sources. To allow for comparison, we calculated the state’s per capita murder rate, the number of murders per 100,000 residents, and categorized states by their presidential vote in the 2020 election, resulting in an even 25-25 split.

    We found that murder rates are, on average, 40% higher in the 25 states Donald Trump won in the last presidential election compared to those that voted for Joe Biden. In addition, murder rates in many of these red states dwarf those in blue states like New York, California, and Massachusetts. And finally, many of the states with the worst murder rates—like Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama, South Carolina, and Arkansas—are ones that few would describe as urban. Only 2 of America’s top 100 cities in population are located in these high murder rate states. And not a single one of the top 10 murder states registers in the top 15 for population density.

    Whether one does or does not blame Republican leaders for high murder rates, it seems that Republican officeholders do a better job of blaming Democrats for lethal crime than actually reducing lethal crime.

    Trump-Voting States Account for 8 out of the 10 Highest Murder Rates in 2020.​

    If you’re tuned in to the media, you’d think murder is rocketing skyward in New York, California, Illinois. But those states don’t even crack the top ten............

    Three of the five states with the largest increase in murder rate were Trump-voting Wyoming at 91.7%, South Dakota at 69%, and Nebraska at 59.1%. These states are decidedly rural and do not conform to the chaos-in-the-city meme that has overtaken the crime debate. Biden-voting Wisconsin came in at the number three spot at 63.2% and Minnesota came in fifth at 58.1%. Out of the top ten states, six were Trump-voting states—with the additional three being Kentucky, West Virginia, and Kansas. The remaining states in the top ten were Delaware and Washington. Only one of the top ten states in murder rate increases, Delaware, was among the top twenty in population density......



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    Southern red states are like 30% black, some cities like Spartenburg South Carolina is like the south side of Chicago, you leave for a few miles they don't lock their cars at homes at night.

    Red states just have a high suicide rate and domestic violence.
     
    You can't find a city with over million people that has a Republican mayor. Jacksonville Florida is the largest city with a Republican mayor, and it's the murder capital of Florida.

    The point of the thread was that if Republican criminal justice policies worked you would see a reduction in crime. That seemed to woosh right past you.
    New York city had two Republican mayors recently and the crime rate went down, most major cities like Chicago and Atlanta for examples have not had Republican mayors in almost a hundred years
     
    Lol at the Post and the left for playing with data. Sure, it makes you feel better, but it doesn’t help with the voters in these cities. Republican governors do not control the police in local Democrat jurisdictions. They do not have power over DAs. But go ahead and push that narrative. It helps cement your support in rich, deep blue areas that live in a bubble.
     
    Lol at the Post and the left for playing with data. Sure, it makes you feel better, but it doesn’t help with the voters in these cities. Republican governors do not control the police in local Democrat jurisdictions. They do not have power over DAs. But go ahead and push that narrative. It helps cement your support in rich, deep blue areas that live in a bubble.
    Imagine thinking mayors had control over policy issues that would help address the root causes of crime.

    Spoilers: They don't. That's state legislatures. Also, I'm glad you said 'rich' bubbles because now you realize that it is no surprise there is higher crime where there is more concentration of wealth. There is lower crime in the boonies because there is nothing there worthwhile to steal.
     
    Imagine thinking mayors had control over policy issues that would help address the root causes of crime.

    Spoilers: They don't. That's state legislatures. Also, I'm glad you said 'rich' bubbles because now you realize that it is no surprise there is higher crime where there is more concentration of wealth. There is lower crime in the boonies because there is nothing there worthwhile to steal.
    That's so false it's comical, what's a mayors job just to kiss baby's? Of course mayors have control of his corrupt Union workers
     
    That's so false it's comical, what's a mayors job just to kiss baby's? Of course mayors have control of his corrupt Union workers
    It's not false at all, just basic civics. Police Departments are controlled on the city level but wide-reaching economic and societal legislation is done at the state level. Nearly all of the states listed in the original graphic have Republican majorities in their state legislatures, if not super-majorities that can override any vetoes by a Democratic governor.
     
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    That's so false it's comical, what's a mayors job just to kiss baby's? Of course mayors have control of his corrupt Union workers
    Against my better judgement - what mechanism does a mayor use to control union workers?
     
    It's not false at all, just basic civics. Police Departments are controlled on the city level but wide-reaching economic and societal legislation is done at the state level. Nearly all of the states listed in the original graphic have Republican majorities in their state legislatures, if not super-majorities that can override any vetoes by a Democratic governor.
    Deflection is strong with you, no?

    The District Attorney (DA) is a constitutionally elected county official. The District Attorney is responsible for the prosecution of criminal violations of state law and county ordinances occurring within a county under California Government Code Section 26500.
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