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This organisation and its reach is seriously scary. When the head of the New York Police Department's second-largest police union openly shows his support of this "organisation" then something is seriously wrong!


The head of the New York Police Department's second-largest police union gave a television interview Friday afternoon while sitting in front of a mug emblazoned with QAnon imagery and slogans.
The mug behind Mullins featured the word "QANON" and the hashtag #WWG1WGA, which stands for "where we go one, we go all," a popular slogan among QAnon supporters. At the center of the mug was a large letter Q, which refers to a supposed government insider who, according to QAnon supporters, posts cryptic clues on the Internet about the "deep state."


More than a year ago, the FBI reportedly assessed that QAnon was a dangerous movement that was likely to inspire its most extreme members to commit violent acts of domestic terrorism.

In recent weeks, QAnon supporters have been posting videos of themselves reciting an oath and repeating the "where we go one, we go all" catchphrase that is seen on the mug. They say they are preparing "digital soldiers" for an apocalyptic reckoning, when thousands of "deep state" pedophiles will be arrested and prosecuted at military courts at Guantanamo Bay.


https://us.cnn.com/2020/07/17/us/head-nypd-union-qanon-mug/index.html
 

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I don’t think there is a single entity called BLM, though. As SBTB said, I believe they are individual chapters with local control. I never saw the website you are referencing, but the one I did see was decidedly pro-family and expressly non-violent. I saw nothing remotely anti-Christian.

I suppose people will believe what they want to believe and see what they want to see, though.

from Wiki:

“While there are specific organizations like the Black Lives Matter Global Network that label themselves simply as "Black Lives Matter", the Black Lives Matter movement is comprised of a broad array of people and organizations. The slogan "Black Lives Matter" itself remains untrademarked by any group.[7] The broader movement and its related organizations typically advocate against police violence towards black people as well as for various other policy changes considered to be related to black liberation.[8]
This is the point I keep trying to make. People don’t want to admit to being ideologically opposed to the actual BLM movement, so like with the civil rights leaders of the 60’s they have clung to this alternative reason for opposition.

It’s easy to be against Marxism. It’s safe opposition and an easy mark when you don’t want to say “BLM is full of crap”.
 

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And I thought your comparison with the “branding” of MLK was spot on, FWIW.
 

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And I thought your comparison with the “branding” of MLK was spot on, FWIW.
It’s exactly the same, historically. It’s easy to try and look back in retrospect but the tactic was the same back then.

MLK’s views on Communism were nuanced. He saw it as a direct threat to Christianity and his faith, but as a member of an oppressed class of people he also valued the communist philosophy about what he saw as the corrupting power of the wealthy over the under class.

Like almost every human being MLK had complex thoughts and ideas and there was a duality to his thought process. None of that takes away from his civil rights work. BLM is no different, except the people opposed to it have an easy excuse in Marxism, just like people opposed to MLK had with Communism.
 

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Marxism, above all else, is a materialistic and atheistic/antireligion philosophy of the human person. The economic part is largely secondary as an explanation of suffering. It can be transposed into other forms such as identity politics and continue to function.
No.
 

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But, to be clear, MLK strongly spoke against Communism from a philosophical and especially theological standpoint. So if you’re inclined to focus in that direction it’s easy to say he was “clearly not a communist”, although that was not the contemporaneous view of him. If you look at his writings on economics, capitalism and more practical questions his writing was a lot less clear.

I suspect 60 years from now it will be as odd hearing someone call BLM Marxist as it is today hearing someone call MLK communist, and some other social movement will have slid into that role. The people opposed to that movement will say you can’t compare it to BLM because <insert selective reading here>.

Rinse, repeat.
 

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This isn't the thread for it, but has there been a thread about the political direction of the BLM vs practical applications as a movement? I'm trying to recall whether we've address BLM specifically here. It's something I have interest in discussing. I'm guessing there's a thread, but there were a lot of gaps when I didn't check in here.
 

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Marxism, above all else, is a materialistic and atheistic/antireligion philosophy of the human person. The economic part is largely secondary as an explanation of suffering. It can be transposed into other forms such as identity politics and continue to function.
not really true, but ironically you demonstrate the reason for identity politics
when the opposition tries to define the opponent politically, it's only natural to assume that the opponent will be hellbent to self-identify politically

and there is of course the larger irony of marxist/communism being anti-christian since Jesus's was one of the clearest communist messages to ever be offered
and then christian capitalists (as paradoxical a term as one can imagine) completely ignoring the economic/political implications of Jesus's communal messages
 

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For not being centrally organized or a national chapter, they sure are making some demands on the national level:

https://www.lawofficer.com/co-found...to-team-biden-we-want-something-for-our-vote/

https://www.theroot.com/blm-co-founder-patrisse-cullors-pens-letter-to-biden-an-1845624852

To pretend that the mob of Antifa is fueled by only one type belief (socialist and anarchist) is kind of a silly thing. Do these people explode if they get into contact with one another or can they put their differences aside for a night in order to throw bricks at cops and try and burn their cities down? We have actually seen, with our eyes that they can in-fact coexist for the sake of mindless violence. No need for 'citations'.
 

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This isn't the thread for it, but has there been a thread about the political direction of the BLM vs practical applications as a movement? I'm trying to recall whether we've address BLM specifically here. It's something I have interest in discussing. I'm guessing there's a thread, but there were a lot of gaps when I didn't check in here.
I don't think we have had a thread strictly on BLM. Several of us on our board discussed starting a thread on the MCB, but as you can imagine, we thought better of it.

I know we touched on the subject the Portland riots thread and a couple of others threads here ad there.
 

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I don't think we have had a thread strictly on BLM. Several of us on our board discussed starting a thread on the MCB, but as you can imagine, we thought better of it.

I know we touched on the subject the Portland riots thread and a couple of others threads here ad there.
Well, I actually would like to talk about all of it eventually, be it BLM, antifa, Proud Boys, and other cultural/political movements or groups. We've sort of thrown in bits and pieces of what all these things are but don't have a dedicated thread for discussing the role all of them play in today's political scene. It's just a thought anyway.
 

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I don't think we have had a thread strictly on BLM. Several of us on our board discussed starting a thread on the MCB, but as you can imagine, we thought better of it.

I know we touched on the subject the Portland riots thread and a couple of others threads here ad there.
Do we even have a thread on the law enforcement (and LE protests) issue in general? I suppose the thread about the federal agents was sort of that - and I suppose there was a qualified immunity thread. But a single issue thread might be appropriate- though it’s a little late I guess.
 

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Do we even have a thread on the law enforcement (and LE protests) issue in general? I suppose the thread about the federal agents was sort of that - and I suppose there was a qualified immunity thread. But a single issue thread might be appropriate- though it’s a little late I guess.
Yeah, it feels late, but I also think those groups and political agitators will still air grievances regardless, so they're not going away. I feel I don't have a good feel for the "what next" for these groups. Considering the size of the groups, they sure seem to make a lot of noise. I don't know what that means, but are they useful idiots for something much bigger or are they genuine organic grassroots movements? I have an idea of what I think about them, but I feel that perception of them is incomplete. I dunno.
 

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