President Trump Creates Wealth (1 Viewer)

[mad1961]

Trump has just made Kimar Abrego Garcia a multimillionaire. He can take credit for creating wealth.

This man was wrongly detained and then deported. The government admitted it. Yet they are going to let him stay in that prison. This man is about to get a record payment from the US government. These right-wingers run their mouths about their taxes and where the money should go, but our tax money is going to be paid to Garcie, and it's going be in the high millions because of Trump. This was not necessary.

El Salvador’s president says he won’t release Kilmar Abrego Garcia back to US

President Donald Trump’s top advisers and Nayib Bukele, the president of El Salvador, said Monday that they had no basis for the small Central American nation to return Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man who was wrongly deported there last month.

Trump administration officials emphasized that Abrego Garcia, who was sent to a notorious gang prison in El Salvador, was a citizen of that country and that the U.S. has no say in his future. And Bukele, who has been a vital partner for the Trump administration in its deportation efforts, said he does not “have the power to return him to the United States.”

The Supreme Court has ruled that the Trump administration must “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s return.

Live updates: El Salvador’s president says he won’t release wrongly deported man back to US

President Trump is hosting Nayib Bukele, the president of El Salvador, at the White House. The nation is holding Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was wrongly deported from the U.S.

apnews.com

 

[Sendai]

So it comes down to the degree to which a withholding actually provides liberty from being in ICE custody. The withholding is obtained by the same process as asylum - but the standard is higher and the status it grants is more ambiguous. But when the withholding is granted in the form of an order, I think that becomes the person's status and he has liberty within the framing of the order. There may be a number of reasons why ICE can detain a person under an order but I suspect that one or more of those reasons must actually be appropriate if such a detention were to occur.

I think @samiam5211 knows a bit about these things.

I suspect once an individual has a deportation order issued by an immigration court ice is free to act at any time. The FUBAR here is that when his name popped as having a deportation order they missed the withholding of removal to El Salvador status.

 

[superchuck500]

I suspect once an individual has a deportation order issued by an immigration court ice is free to act at any time. The FUBAR here is that when his name popped as having a deportation order they missed the withholding of removal to El Salvador status.

The withholding is also an order - it's in the same proceeding.

 

[Sendai]

The withholding is also an order - it's in the same proceeding.

And they clearly screwed up by missing the withholding order. It’s a good bet they simply ran a query to identify anyone with a deportation order. He would show up in that query. I suspect that is all they looked at because that is all they needed. That deportation order means there was a court hearing, hence due process.

 

[superchuck500]

And they clearly screwed up by missing the withholding order. It’s a good bet they simply ran a query to identify anyone with a deportation order. He would show up in that query. I suspect that is all they looked at because that is all they needed. That deportation order means there was a court hearing, hence due process.

Right but the point is that if the deportation order and the withholding order are in the same proceeding, the deportation order is rendered unenforceable to the extent that the withholding order has modified it. As a result, an arrest based on the deportation order would ostensibly be wrongful.

In an analogous context, a federal law enforcement arrest based a negligent misreading of a warrant could easily present a liability scenario under applicable law.

 

[MT15]

And they clearly screwed up by missing the withholding order. It’s a good bet they simply ran a query to identify anyone with a deportation order. He would show up in that query. I suspect that is all they looked at because that is all they needed. That deportation order means there was a court hearing, hence due process.

They violated his Constitutional rights. He did receive due process - the first time. He never received any due process by Trump. Only violations of it.

 

[samiam5211]

Well the justification is probably on proper grounds. He has a deportation order. The only way to qualify for a “withholding of release” there has to be a deportation order. And it’s also likely he’s been flagged as ms13 in that deportation order.

Withholding of removal is just a status we use when people have been ordered removed, but are from a country that we do not remove people to.

Many people who have been ordered removed, end up getting green cards without ever leaving the United States despite having a removal order if they are the immediate relative of a US citizen.

It could be someone who is just here illegally, and otherwise an upstanding member of society, or a MS-13 member who gets withholding of removal, the status doesn't tell you anything, other than they didn't have any status allowing them to stay when the judge made the order.

FYI being "flagged" as a MS-13 member, only makes them slightly more likely to be a MS-13 member than you or me.

A good test is, if they are released from custody on withholding of removal, we have no proof that they are really a member of MS-13. If we had something more than a tattoo or a picture in a hoodie, they would not be on the street.

 

[samiam5211]

BTW adding gangs to the list of terrorist organizations... is going to be a forking disaster...

If someone who mowed your lawn was a member of MS-13 25 years ago when they were 16 years old, you could end up being flagged and put on a watchlist.

These systems were not designed for terrorist groups to be organizations with actual presence in the US. ISIS never had a presence in the US, so the hyper paranoid net we cast, never really impacted anyone.

If the size of the net doesn't change, it's going to be a really interesting future.

 

[Dragon]

BTW adding gangs to the list of terrorist organizations... is going to be a forking disaster...

If someone who mowed your lawn was a member of MS-13 25 years ago when they were 16 years old, you could end up being flagged and put on a watchlist.

These systems were not designed for terrorist groups to be organizations with actual presence in the US. ISIS never had a presence in the US, so the hyper paranoid net we cast, never really impacted anyone.

If the size of the net doesn't change, it's going to be a really interesting future.

Let’s be honest—when some people call for deportations, it’s not really about crime. It’s about ethnicity.

Many individuals from minority backgrounds may face challenges in their youth, but go on to become law-abiding, hard-working members of society. Yet, despite turning their lives around, they’re still treated as threats. Not because of what they've done—but because of where they or their parents come from.

Under the Trump administration, people from certain demographics—especially immigrants from Latin America—are broadly labeled as “gang members,” often with no real evidence. This kind of blanket demonization echoes dark chapters of history, where entire groups were vilified not for their actions, but for their identity. Hitler did the same to the Jews—casting them as criminals, parasites, and threats to society simply for existing.

Crimes should, of course, be punished. But when someone has changed their life for the better, they deserve support—not scapegoating and deportation. Justice should be based on individual actions, not ethnic background. Anything else is not justice—it’s discrimination.

 

[samiam5211]

Let’s be honest—when some people call for deportations, it’s not really about crime. It’s about ethnicity.

Many individuals from minority backgrounds may face challenges in their youth, but go on to become law-abiding, hard-working members of society. Yet, despite turning their lives around, they’re still treated as threats. Not because of what they've done—but because of where they or their parents come from.

Under the Trump administration, people from certain demographics—especially immigrants from Latin America—are broadly labeled as “gang members,” often with no real evidence. This kind of blanket demonization echoes dark chapters of history, where entire groups were vilified not for their actions, but for their identity. Hitler did the same to the Jews—casting them as criminals, parasites, and threats to society simply for existing.

Crimes should, of course, be punished. But when someone has changed their life for the better, they deserve support—not scapegoating and deportation. Justice should be based on individual actions, not ethnic background. Anything else is not justice—it’s discrimination.

People should look up the history of most of these gangs, and how they became transnational.

I know barrio 18 hits that MAGA itch, but I thought English was the official language of the US? Make the 18th street gang great again.

 

[Optimus Prime]

President Donald Trump posted a statement from the Oval Office Friday with what appeared to be a digitally altered image that Trump said was the hand of a Maryland father who was deported to a brutal El Salvador prison following officials’ unproven claims he is a member of the MS-13 gang.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia is the subject of a string of court orders up to the nation’s top court demanding that the Trump administration “facilitate” his return to the United States, where he has been living for the last 14 years.

The administration, however, has insisted without evidence that he is a gang member, even though officials initially admitted his deportation was an administrative error.

Now, the president has displayed what he claims to be such evidence — a black-and-white close up photograph of a hand that Trump identified as Abrego Garcia’s with tattooed knuckles, including “MS-13” written out above four symbols — that many internet sleuths are already saying was Photoshopped.

The Independent has reached out to the White House and a lawyer for Abrego Garcia for comment.

“This is the hand of the man that the Democrats feel should be brought back to the United States, because he is such ‘a fine and innocent person.’ They said he is not a member of MS-13, even though he’s got MS-13 tattooed onto his knuckles and two Highly Respected Courts found that he was a member of MS-13, beat up his wife, etc.,” the president posted on Truth Social on Friday evening…….

Several social media users expressed doubt over the authenticity of the image of a hand Trump held in the post…….

Images of Abrego Garcia posted on his wife’s TikTok account also capture the knuckle ink but don’t have “MS-13” spelled out.

Some social media sleuths, however, claim Abrego Garcia’s wife has been trying to “censor” his tattoos, pointing to her April 6 post. Red heart emojis cover his hand, which is draped around her in the photo…..

After Bukele posted the photos, a handful of rightwing internet personalities and Republican lawmakers became laser-focused on Abrego Garcia’s hand tattoos.

“That’s an interesting tattoo for just a regular ‘Maryland man’ to have on his hand,” conservative commentator Benny Johnson remarked in a post that included a zoomed-in photo of Abrego Garcia’s hand. This image also doesn’t feature “MS-13” written out.….

Trump appears to hold up a altered image of wrongfully deported man’s hand

The spelled-out ‘MS-13’ doesn’t appear on his hand in recent photos of Abrego Garcia posted on his wife’s TikTok account

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MT15]

That’s a horrible photoshop job. Good lord any high school kid could probably do better. It’s so obvious.