President Trump Creates Wealth (1 Viewer)

[mad1961]

Trump has just made Kimar Abrego Garcia a multimillionaire. He can take credit for creating wealth.

This man was wrongly detained and then deported. The government admitted it. Yet they are going to let him stay in that prison. This man is about to get a record payment from the US government. These right-wingers run their mouths about their taxes and where the money should go, but our tax money is going to be paid to Garcie, and it's going be in the high millions because of Trump. This was not necessary.

El Salvador’s president says he won’t release Kilmar Abrego Garcia back to US

President Donald Trump’s top advisers and Nayib Bukele, the president of El Salvador, said Monday that they had no basis for the small Central American nation to return Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man who was wrongly deported there last month.

Trump administration officials emphasized that Abrego Garcia, who was sent to a notorious gang prison in El Salvador, was a citizen of that country and that the U.S. has no say in his future. And Bukele, who has been a vital partner for the Trump administration in its deportation efforts, said he does not “have the power to return him to the United States.”

The Supreme Court has ruled that the Trump administration must “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s return.

Live updates: El Salvador’s president says he won’t release wrongly deported man back to US

President Trump is hosting Nayib Bukele, the president of El Salvador, at the White House. The nation is holding Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was wrongly deported from the U.S.

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[Sendai]

So it comes down to the degree to which a withholding actually provides liberty from being in ICE custody. The withholding is obtained by the same process as asylum - but the standard is higher and the status it grants is more ambiguous. But when the withholding is granted in the form of an order, I think that becomes the person's status and he has liberty within the framing of the order. There may be a number of reasons why ICE can detain a person under an order but I suspect that one or more of those reasons must actually be appropriate if such a detention were to occur.

I think @samiam5211 knows a bit about these things.

I suspect once an individual has a deportation order issued by an immigration court ice is free to act at any time. The FUBAR here is that when his name popped as having a deportation order they missed the withholding of removal to El Salvador status.

 

[superchuck500]

I suspect once an individual has a deportation order issued by an immigration court ice is free to act at any time. The FUBAR here is that when his name popped as having a deportation order they missed the withholding of removal to El Salvador status.

The withholding is also an order - it's in the same proceeding.

 

[Sendai]

The withholding is also an order - it's in the same proceeding.

And they clearly screwed up by missing the withholding order. It’s a good bet they simply ran a query to identify anyone with a deportation order. He would show up in that query. I suspect that is all they looked at because that is all they needed. That deportation order means there was a court hearing, hence due process.

 

[superchuck500]

And they clearly screwed up by missing the withholding order. It’s a good bet they simply ran a query to identify anyone with a deportation order. He would show up in that query. I suspect that is all they looked at because that is all they needed. That deportation order means there was a court hearing, hence due process.

Right but the point is that if the deportation order and the withholding order are in the same proceeding, the deportation order is rendered unenforceable to the extent that the withholding order has modified it. As a result, an arrest based on the deportation order would ostensibly be wrongful.

In an analogous context, a federal law enforcement arrest based a negligent misreading of a warrant could easily present a liability scenario under applicable law.

 

[MT15]

And they clearly screwed up by missing the withholding order. It’s a good bet they simply ran a query to identify anyone with a deportation order. He would show up in that query. I suspect that is all they looked at because that is all they needed. That deportation order means there was a court hearing, hence due process.

They violated his Constitutional rights. He did receive due process - the first time. He never received any due process by Trump. Only violations of it.