Post Trump GOP (1 Viewer)

[J-DONK]

I've been thinking about this for a while. What is the GOP going to do once Trump goes to jail? Realistically, anything over 10 years of real time would be a death sentence for the obese cheeto. I feel like the current riff in the house is a early sign of this coming change of leadership, and direction. Even the most sycophantic Trump GOP policy makers know he isn't beating 90 counts. They are a total impasse on direction with a sword of damocles, in the form of a Trump conviction, hanging over their heads. Will the GOP be pulled back from it's authoritarian fall, or will we see the rise of another strongman?

Who do you think will takeover the GOP? I think Paul Ryan is interesting, since he sat out the current Trump era. I'm not sure the GOP base actually will care about the scandal of having Trump convicted.

The short list is probably:

1. Ron Desantis
2. Chris Christie
3. Paul Ryan
4. Mitt Romney
5. Ted Cruz
6. Marco Rubio
7. Mike Pence

I don't think the GOP is ever going to nominate/follow a woman, or someone brown.

 

[Taurus]

When you say caucasian voters won't vote for Nikki Haley even though I keep quoting polls that say they will...enough said.

DJ and J-Donk are not the same person.

FWIW, I don't think the GOP will support a nonwhite beyond 15-20% tops.
Haley can make an effective running mate/mouthpiece, but she'll never wear the crown.

 

[LA - L.A.]

DJ and J-Donk are not the same person.

FWIW, I don't think the GOP will support a nonwhite beyond 15-20% tops.
Haley can make an effective running mate/mouthpiece, but she'll never wear the crown.

C'mon, man. You know all those screen names with J in them are all the same.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I'll ask again...When and where did I say that?

I am home and should leave for work in 10 minutes.
Did you mention GOP voters will not vote for people of "brown skin" or am I confusing you with someone else?
If that was not you then I apologize.
Now I have 9 minutes.
No time to go back in the thread and search for what you said or what you didn't say.
Sorry.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

DJ and J-Donk are not the same person.

FWIW, I don't think the GOP will support a nonwhite beyond 15-20% tops.
Haley can make an effective running mate/mouthpiece, but she'll never wear the crown.

Here is the answer provded by @Taurus
I confused my posters.
I was careless.
I am at fault.
Sorry for my error.

 

[J-DONK]

Here is the answer provded by @Taurus
I confused my posters.
I was careless.
I am at fault.
Sorry for my error.

I should probably change my username so no one is confused. I know it's a weird username. The Donk is short for Donkey. It has multiple meanings. My general ability to play poker, as in I'm a donkey at table. Also, my political takes could normally fall in the same category. I don't know if I've ever outgrown it, so maybe I should keep it.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I should probably change my username so no one is confused. I know it's a weird username. The Donk is short for Donkey. It has multiple meanings. My general ability to play poker, as in I'm a donkey at table. Also, my political takes could normally fall in the same category. I don't know if I've ever outgrown it, so maybe I should keep it.

Whatever you like. Don't change because of me....or has this ever happened before?

 

[Lapaz]

He's Hindu so he doesn't have a chance

Being Hindu is a huge problem, but I also don’t think Vivek is smarter than Trump in manipulating people. He’s a fast talking used car salesman. He comes across as swarmy. Trump does as well, but not as much. Vivek’s main appeal to Trumpist is that he says a lot of the crazy stuff that Trump says in a very self confident way, and he’ll challenge fact checkers and norms. Trump has more charm, despite his nauseating manner. Also, Trump has the envy factor of wealth and a beautiful wife and daughter. Vivek isn’t going to measure up for Trumpists.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

DJ and J-Donk are not the same person.

FWIW, I don't think the GOP will support a nonwhite beyond 15-20% tops.
Haley can make an effective running mate/mouthpiece, but she'll never wear the crown.

I don't think most GOP voters think of her as an "other". She's passe as we say back home.

That being said she's establishment, and it will be a generation at least before an establishment Republican can ever lead that party again.

 

[Lapaz]

DJ and J-Donk are not the same person.

FWIW, I don't think the GOP will support a nonwhite beyond 15-20% tops.
Haley can make an effective running mate/mouthpiece, but she'll never wear the crown.

Haley would do very well as a Democrat with some tweaking of her positions. As a Republican, I think she gets more support because she is very light skinned and could pass for white in some quarters. She is among the most moderate of Republicans, and I think she struggles to support her party, so that means a large swath of the party won’t support her.

 

[J-DONK]

I don’t really believe many polls these days. They’ve lost the access they used to have because nobody has a land line and nobody answers their cell unless they recognize the number. I don’t think they have a real good way to replace their old methodology.

Plus, people lie to pollsters. Nobody wants to admit they won’t vote for a woman or a brown person. Then they will walk into the voting booth and vote now they really feel.

I want to be wrong, but I don’t think I am.

This is my opinion. When someone other then a white male wins the nomination, I'll believe. Also, Herman Cane lead polls early vs Romney, the early polls don't really matter.

It's not like the base is moving towards a more progressive view on race, or women.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

This is my opinion. When someone other then a white male wins the nomination, I'll believe. Also, Herman Cane lead polls early vs Romney, the early polls don't really matter.

It's not like the base is moving towards a more progressive view on race, or women.

50% of "the base" ARE women.
Why wouldn't they support the former (female) governor of South Carolina?
South Carolina...a traditionally GOP leaning state already elected her.
Why can't the GOP voters in 2024 do the same?
Some of you have me really baffled.

 

[Taurus]

50% of "the base" ARE women.
Why wouldn't they support the former governor of South Carolina.
South Carolina...a traditionally GOP leaning state already elected her.
Why can't the GOP voters in 2024 do the same?
Some of you have me really baffled.

These are the same women who want their daughters to die from easily remedied pregnancy complications and who worship the kind of faux masculinity embodied (rotundly) by Trump.
Asked if women should lead, my money's on a big percentage saying "No" that women should be subservient to men as God intended.
That said, the perfect female GOP candidate might exist somewhere.
Pretty but not beautiful, smart but good at hiding it. Folksy and homespun with a smooth, orator's voice and Yahweh firmly in her back pocket.
Her husband (because she has to be married, with kids) will need to be some uber-alpha titan of industry so she's not seen as emasculating.

The calculus for a woman to be the Republican nominee is, to me, much too fragile to be met by a mortal human being.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Yes, Haley has some momentum and is gaining in support (not sure surging is quite right)

But she is gaining to distant second place

And that's the problem that Haley, DeSantis, Christie, Pence or anyone else would face

They are clearly not the preferred choice, by a huge margin

If anyone other than Trump is the candidate, if Trump passes away**, or withdraws for "health reasons" or is sentenced to a million years in prison anyone else would clearly be the consolation prize. and will look and feel like a consolation prize. And I have my doubts that whoever that person in would draw the same devotion that Trump does

The only way to avoid that is if Trump is on all the primary ballots and he loses. It's early but all the polls right now say that's not going to happen

**I've said before I think that a decent amount of the GOP wishes Trump would pass in his sleep. before the trials start, before the primaries start. They can then blame his death on the stress of the liberal witchhunts. And turn him into a mythic martyr who can symbolize whatever they want him to (one who can't tweet back)

 

[Optimus Prime]

It won't be DeSantis.

He is going to burn himself by going after Trump.

And then he will have pissed off his base in FL, which will lead to his defeat/recall there.

Icarus is reaching for the sun now.....

It's not DeSantis now, but he's young and ambitious enough to pop back up over the next 10-20 years

After he takes some PR/How to act like a human classes who knows

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

These are the same women who want their daughters to die from easily remedied pregnancy complications and who worship the kind of faux masculinity embodied (rotundly) by Trump.
Asked if women should lead, my money's on a big percentage saying "No" that women should be subservient to men as God intended.
That said, the perfect female GOP candidate might exist somewhere.
Pretty but not beautiful, smart but good at hiding it. Folksy and homespun with a smooth, orator's voice and Yahweh firmly in her back pocket.
Her husband (because she has to be married, with kids) will need to be some uber-alpha titan of industry so she's not seen as emasculating.

The calculus for a woman to be the Republican nominee is, to me, much too fragile to be met by a mortal human being.

If what you say is true, how did Nikki Haley get elected as the Governor of SC?

 

[coldseat]

If what you say is true, how did Nikki Haley get elected as the Governor of SC?

That was before the temperature got turned up on racism in the Republican party. Before Trump's reign.

 

[Lapaz]

If what you say is true, how did Nikki Haley get elected as the Governor of SC?

South Carolina isn’t as racist as other parts of the US.

 

[J-DONK]

South Carolina isn’t as racist as other parts of the US.

I mean Bobby Jindal got elected in Louisiana. State and national politics are wildly different. You can look at Democrats path, and probably extrapolate some kind of path for Republicans. Jesse Jackson won primaries as a black man 25 years before Obama won the nomination. Hillary lost to Obama, before running again. It's hard for me to believe Republicans will suddenly snap, and do something even Democrats didn't do. That really is the strongest argument as to why this is not happening. Progress would be Haley or Vivek winning a single state primary.