Ongoing discussion of SCOTUS cases

[MT15]

With the increased scrutiny due to recent revelations in the press I thought maybe we can use a SCOTUS thread. We can discuss the impending Senate investigation and the legislation proposed today by Murkowski and King in the Senate that will formalize ethical guidelines.

We can also use this thread to highlight cases that possibly don’t deserve their own thread, like the following.

I saw this case today, and I cannot believe the US Government is allowed to do this. Unreasonable search and seizure? The examples he gives in the rest of the thread are just sickening:

 

[cuddlemonkey]

A renewal or replacement is a new passport. Otherwise the current passport is good until it expires. No pasports are being revoked.

My opinion is it’s a simple travel document. Folks can be whatever they want. They can be a fury. I really don’t care one way or the other. It changes nothing about the person holding the passport. All the document says is who you are and what country and you can travel.

A trans man who was assigned female at birth is a man who must use a US passport with a Female designation. A non-binary person who does not identify as male or female must use a US passport that has a Male or Female designation.

Do you agree or disagree that this is erasure?

 

[MT15]

He doesn’t care. That’s the issue. He just doesn’t care about other people.

 

[Sendai]

A trans man who was assigned female at birth is a man who must use a US passport with a Female designation. A non-binary person who does not identify as male or female must use a US passport that has a Male or Female designation.

Do you agree or disagree that this is erasure?

I don’t see the necessity of the change. I certainly would not have bothered with it. Still, the court is not wrong. The executive will prevail. And the likely next change to bring back the x the executive will again prevail.

 

[MT15]

I don’t see the necessity of the change. I certainly would not have bothered either it. Still, the court is not wrong. The executive will prevail. And the likely next change to bring back the x the executive will again prevail.

You seem to be fixated on the X option. Why?

To me the biggest issue is that people who have undergone gender transition will now be labeled as their gender at birth, even though that isn’t their gender now.

This will make them a target in certain places. They could be harmed.

 

[Sendai]

You seem to be fixated on the X option. Why?

To me the biggest issue is that people who have undergone gender transition will now be labeled as their gender at birth, even though that isn’t their gender now.

This will make them a target in certain places. They could be harmed.

Not fixated on x. It was an accepted designation for a few years. Now it’s not. And it’s used by many countries. I doubt it’s going to be much of an issue when visiting other countries.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I don’t see the necessity of the change. I certainly would not have bothered with it. Still, the court is not wrong. The executive will prevail. And the likely next change to bring back the x the executive will again prevail.

I asked you a simple question in the post that you quoted, and you failed to answer it. Why won't you answer a simple question?

 

[Sendai]

I asked you a simple question in the post that you quoted, and you failed to answer it. Why won't you answer a simple question?

It’s a travel document. They look at the name and the picture. Not worth the consideration.

 

[MT15]

Not fixated on x. It was an accepted designation for a few years. Now it’s not. And it’s used by many countries. I doubt it’s going to be much of an issue when visiting other countries.

The x option isn’t even the main issue. The main issue is that some men will have passports that designate them as female and some women will have passports that designate them as male.

Do you not see how that could be an issue that could even endanger folks in some countries?

How about we change your passport designation to female then, since you don’t mind?

 

[Sendai]

The x option isn’t even the main issue. The main issue is that some men will have passports that designate them as female and some women will have passports that designate them as male.

Do you not see how that could be an issue that could even endanger folks in some countries?

How about we change your passport designation to female then, since you don’t mind?

Wouldn’t bother me and I doubt the endanger thing.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It’s a travel document. They look at the name and the picture. Not worth the consideration.

That's twice now that you refused to answer my question, preferring instead to address things I never asked you about. Why do you keep dodging simple questions?

 

[Sendai]

That's twice now that you refused to answer my question, preferring instead to address things I never asked you about. Why do you keep dodging simple questions?

Not worth the consideration is the answer.

 

[DaveXA]

Wouldn’t bother me and I doubt the endanger thing.

Good luck going to a Muslim country as a male with female designated on your passport. They’ll probably require you to wear a burqa or some such.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Not worth the consideration is the answer.

It was a yes or no question. You have given a non-answer. Yes or no, Sendai. Which is it?

 

[Sendai]

It was a yes or no question. You have given a non-answer. Yes or no, Sendai. Which is it?

It’s not worth consideration is the answer.

 

[fooferdoggie]

just looks like the SC is forking over Americans again. But Trump now owes no snap for people he fought against. It was no one else did it but him.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It’s not worth consideration is the answer.

Your answer is the equivalent of someone asking you if pineapple is good or bad on pizza, and you respond with something about the decline of pizza delivery sales. You are not being honest in your discussions. I ask you again, yes or no: is the removal of a non-M or F option erasure of nonbinary and trans identities?

 

[MT15]

Good luck going to a Muslim country as a male with female designated on your passport. They’ll probably require you to wear a burqa or some such.

They may throw them off a roof. Or put them in prison.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

That's twice now that you refused to answer my question, preferring instead to address things I never asked you about. Why do you keep dodging simple questions?

Because @Sendai is not an honest nor a civil person.