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    There’s a lot of doubt that Kevin McCarthy will be able to get enough votes to become Speaker. It certainly won’t happen on the first ballot. Already Boboert and MTG are publicly at odds over it.

    Maybe this is worth it’s own thread to watch. One person mentioned is Scalise.

     
    They just adjourned until noon tomorrow. I think it was McCarthy who made the motion, but not sure.
    It was somebody from Oklahoma who moved to adjourn. One person loudly voted Nay, that might have been McCarthy. No way to know since it’s done in voice vote only.
     
    Indeed - but also why is McCarthy in there?
    I heard somebody on TV say it’s customary for the putative Speaker to move in a day or so ahead of time. Of course, we haven’t had this situation where there weren’t enough votes for 100 years. He should have known he didn’t have the votes and should have waited. One of the most important duties of a Speaker is to count votes and know where the votes are and are not. And to persuade folks to get on board. How does this man have so little awareness of his political situation? It boggles the mind.
     
    Perfect start to the clown show that will be the GOP House majority.
    You can give up all hope of them actually governing, it will be a never ending :poop: show filled with pointless legislation targeting the national threat that is socialist groomers!
     
    I have a hard time thinking of McConnell as principled after his SCOTUS shenanigans. He’s as slimy as they come in my book.
    He played a case of judicial or Congressional hardball and yes, it was partisan and deliberate but I could certainly see former or past Dem House Speakers like Tip O'Neal or even Pelosi doing this, as an extreme last-resort if their opponents in Congress wanted a pitched, nasty fight to push some SCOTUS justice they believed in. It never came to that over the course of their respective careers, but I could see them doing it. Being House Speaker demands a certain type of ruthlessness to make sure your party votes the way you want them too, on mostly all issues. Tip O'Neil had the cantankerous, confrontational, edgy demeanor to do something similar.
     
    I heard somebody on TV say it’s customary for the putative Speaker to move in a day or so ahead of time. Of course, we haven’t had this situation where there weren’t enough votes for 100 years. He should have known he didn’t have the votes and should have waited. One of the most important duties of a Speaker is to count votes and know where the votes are and are not. And to persuade folks to get on board. How does this man have so little awareness of his political situation? It boggles the mind.
    Sometimes, a Speaker's job isn't just to simply persuade holdouts they should get on board, its to occasionally force or coerce them by threatening to withhold or not give enough investiture money to their districts in passing the next budgets or holding confidential, potentially damaging information against them--a form of blackmail. Its not too uncommon and different from what we saw in the Netflix series House of Cards. Persuade? Sure, but a good, effective House Speaker knows when to get their hands dirty when situation requires it and even good ones, from O'Neil, Pelosi, or Hyde knew this all too well.

    That's just another sobering reality of how power politics works in D.C. behind-the-scenes, most of the time.
     
    He played a case of judicial or Congressional hardball and yes, it was partisan and deliberate but I could certainly see former or past Dem House Speakers like Tip O'Neal or even Pelosi doing this, as an extreme last-resort if their opponents in Congress wanted a pitched, nasty fight to push some SCOTUS justice they believed in. It never came to that over the course of their respective careers, but I could see them doing it. Being House Speaker demands a certain type of ruthlessness to make sure your party votes the way you want them too, on mostly all issues. Tip O'Neil had the cantankerous, confrontational, edgy demeanor to do something similar.
    What you are saying is undoubtedly true, but I was referring to him withholding a vote on Garland for most of a year during Obama’s second term. That was unprecedented and slimy in the extreme. And I really don’t see other leaders being willing to do that. He can pretend he’s a traditionalist, but he’s really not. He’s as power-hungry as any MAGA.
     
    So Trump finally weighs in. Will it matter? Also, does Trump not realize that Pelosi is still a member of the House? She’s not “flying back to CA” lol.

     
    So Trump finally weighs in. Will it matter? Also, does Trump not realize that Pelosi is still a member of the House? She’s not “flying back to CA” lol.



    I think Trump must have heard overnight that the McCarthy is going to win the first vote today.

    Trump wouldn't have made that post if he thought there was any chance McCarthy was going to lose another vote.
     
    I thought this was interesting

     
    What you are saying is undoubtedly true, but I was referring to him withholding a vote on Garland for most of a year during Obama’s second term. That was unprecedented and slimy in the extreme. And I really don’t see other leaders being willing to do that. He can pretend he’s a traditionalist, but he’s really not. He’s as power-hungry as any MAGA.
    I could see O'Neal doing that, if pushed to the ultimate limit of his patience in terms of judicial hardball and ruthlessness. He had the confrontational, caustic personality and demeanor to do something like that. Pelosi? She might threaten or suggest the possibility of manufacturing a stunt similar to McConnell's but ultimately wouldn't ever pull the trigger.

    Do I think Garland should've had a hearing? Sure. Did he deserve to have a full House/Senate vote, for confirmation? Absolutely. But, given that he'd face a GOP-controlled House/Senate and that Obama's power was winding down due to it being his last year in office, McConnell felt he could make a highly controversial attempt to stonewall Obama's pick and he wouldn't have approved, anyway.
     
    Looks like I was wrong.

    Man, Trump has really lost power if he can't get Gaetz and Bobert to vote for McCarthy.
     

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