Next Speaker of the House? (16 Viewers)

[MT15]

There’s a lot of doubt that Kevin McCarthy will be able to get enough votes to become Speaker. It certainly won’t happen on the first ballot. Already Boboert and MTG are publicly at odds over it.

Maybe this is worth it’s own thread to watch. One person mentioned is Scalise.

 

[DaveXA]

Sadly, Democrats have shown time and again that they can't use power when they have it.

If they could, they'd recognize the strong but not unlimited leverage they now have.

"Look guys, we know a lot of you can't stand MAGAts. Nominate someone levelheaded and sane and we'll back them. You can have pretty much anyone you want and spite the Freedumb Caucus at the same time. Whaddaya say?"

We can turn this whole thing away from Democrat vs Republican and toward Sane vs Looneytunes. A battle the Sane can win going away.

Absolutely.

 

[coldseat]

Sadly, Democrats have shown time and again that they can't use power when they have it.

If they could, they'd recognize the strong but not unlimited leverage they now have.

"Look guys, we know a lot of you can't stand MAGAts. Nominate someone levelheaded and sane and we'll back them. You can have pretty much anyone you want and spite the Freedumb Caucus at the same time. Whaddaya say?"

We can turn this whole thing away from Democrat vs Republican and toward Sane vs Looneytunes. A battle the Sane can win going away.

I disagree, I think Democrats are playing this the right way. If the "moderates" in the Republican party don't want a radical right winger for Speaker and are willing to work with Democrats on a compromise to lock the MAGA extremist out of power, then they need to go to Democrats to start the conversation and ask. If that happened, Deomocrats would certainly work with Republicans. Democrats are under no obligation to swoop in and save the Republicans from themselves or to save the voters from the Republicans they elected.

That's really the only way that Democrats can effectively use the power that they have right now.

 

[coldseat]

The problem is Jordan wants to shut down a lot of the government. The blackmail will be huge if Jordan gets the speakership. Democrats need to realize that the best strategy is to back a moderate Republican, rather than continuing to push Jeffries, that will absolutely not be elected. The losses that would occur with 1 year of Jordan would be devastating.

What is it you think Jordan will do without the agreement of the Democratic Senate and the Biden? Worst thing that can happen is things grind to a halt and the government isn't funded, I suppose. There's a high likelihood of that happening anyway regardless of who's Speaker because Republican's can't even get appropriations bills out of committees with party line votes.

 

[DaveXA]

I disagree, I think Democrats are playing this the right way. If the "moderates" in the Republican party don't want a radical right winger for Speaker and are willing to work with Democrats on a compromise to lock the MAGA extremist out of power, then they need to go to Democrats to start the conversation and ask. If that happened, Deomocrats would certainly work with Republicans. Democrats are under no obligation to swoop in and save the Republicans from themselves or to save the voters from the Republicans they elected.

That's really the only way that Democrats can effectively use the power that they have right now.

I would say at a minimum, the Democrats need to initiate that discussion. I know they want to let the Republicans torpedo themselves, but the bigger picture is what is all of this doing to democracy? I think for the good of the country, I'd let the Rs know that the Ds are willing to vote for a moderate for the sake of avoiding guys like Jordan taking the gavel. Country over party.

 

[Taurus]

I disagree, I think Democrats are playing this the right way. If the "moderates" in the Republican party don't want a radical right winger for Speaker and are willing to work with Democrats on a compromise to lock the MAGA extremist out of power, then they need to go to Democrats to start the conversation and ask. If that happened, Deomocrats would certainly work with Republicans. Democrats are under no obligation to swoop in and save the Republicans from themselves or to save the voters from the Republicans they elected.

That's really the only way that Democrats can effectively use the power that they have right now.

Letting the GOP hang itself isn't necessarily bad, but I feel the Dems need to do something, anything...light a birch on fire, all arrive in the nude...something to get themselves in the news and in front of cameras again.

Extending such an offer, loudly, publicly, over and over again...mentioning it every single time there's a microphone nearby, just might do the trick.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Democrats are under no obligation to swoop in and save the Republicans from themselves or to save the voters from the Republicans they elected.

Nominate someone levelheaded and sane and we'll back them.

Other than the Republicans who have been voted out of office for being sane and not going along with the BS, tell me which of the remaining "level-headed" ones have made level-headed votes rather than voting along party lines? That's the problem that Republicans now have. They are all the same with varying degrees of insanity and none have demonstrated that they can be trusted to make word of mouth deals with.

This is a problem that Republicans have made for themselves and as @coldseat so aptly put it, Democrats are under no obligation to save republican legislators or voters from themselves.

Like Gunny told Private Pyle, "They're paying for it, you eat it!"

 

[coldseat]

I would say at a minimum, the Democrats need to initiate that discussion. I know they want to let the Republicans torpedo themselves, but the bigger picture is what is all of this doing to democracy? I think for the good of the country, I'd let the Rs know that the Ds are willing to vote for a moderate for the sake of avoiding guys like Jordan taking the gavel. Country over party.

Letting the GOP hang itself isn't necessarily bad, but I feel the Dems need to do something, anything...light a birch on fire, all arrive in the nude...something to get themselves in the news and in front of cameras again.

Extending such an offer, loudly, publicly, over and over again...mentioning it every single time there's a microphone nearby, just might do the trick.

I think if Democrats put that out there publicly to early in this process, it will lose its effectiveness. They need to wait until Republicans have gone through several rounds of voting first. They can definitely have off the record conversations and maybe put out in the media through "sources", but putting it out in the media too early will just allow the right wing media to deride the idea and make it untenable for any Republicans to go along with. Especially if the main push for it comes from the Democrats.

I understand being concerned about the long term health of our Democracy, but for that to really improve Republicans and right wing media need to have a "Come to Jesus" moment where they realize and acknowledge that continuing to empower the MAGA right wing for votes and party power is a losing proposition. Maybe this is how that process happens for Republicans.

 

[Booker]

The flaw in the idea that Democrats could support a moderate Republican speaker is that, while it's not unimaginable that a number of Democrats could be persuaded to do so, you would also need a Republican to actually approach them to make a deal, which would involve concessions, and that's almost certainly not going to happen. If anyone did, it would surely be a ticket to getting attacked by Trump as a RINO for colluding with the "deranged Marxists, communists, etc." and would lead to a primary challenge. Why would any of them put their job at risk for that?

 

[Taurus]

The flaw in the idea that Democrats could support a moderate Republican speaker is that, while it's not unimaginable that a number of Democrats could be persuaded to do so, you would also need a Republican to actually approach them to make a deal, which would involve concessions, and that's almost certainly not going to happen. If anyone did, it would surely be a ticket to getting attacked by Trump as a RINO for colluding with the "deranged Marxists, communists, etc." and would lead to a primary challenge. Why would any of them put their job at risk for that?

The opportunity to get some things done comes to mind.

If a given sane Rep has a project he really needs to get passed, a military base to save, road funding...whatever. He knows for a fact that Speaker Gym Jordan is going to happily shut down the government as soon as he's able. Said sane critter is better off in a world where routine funding like that gets passed. He can blunt the RINO claims by showing actual results.

 

[V Chip]

Letting the GOP hang itself isn't necessarily bad, but I feel the Dems need to do something, anything...light a birch on fire, all arrive in the nude...something to get themselves in the news and in front of cameras again.

Extending such an offer, loudly, publicly, over and over again...mentioning it every single time there's a microphone nearby, just might do the trick.

If only John McCain were still alive... (and in the House)

 

[UriUT]

The opportunity to get some things done comes to mind.

If a given sane Rep has a project he really needs to get passed, a military base to save, road funding...whatever. He knows for a fact that Speaker Gym Jordan is going to happily shut down the government as soon as he's able. Said sane critter is better off in a world where routine funding like that gets passed. He can blunt the RINO claims by showing actual results.

Quit whining! Democrats aren't here to save Republians from themselves

Democrats are sick of bailing the GOP out of their own messes, and boy, are Republicans crying about it

www.salon.com

The question is who? Or is there one?

The Dems asked for the vote to be delayed till after feinstein's funeral so that some members can attend. That was rejected. And when the Dems in the "problem solver" caucus asked for a concession such as the rules change (only majority/minority leaders can call for a vacate vote) they were told that the vote is happening. Unless the rules have changed, only the majority leader or speaker can put a vote to the house. The alternative is to petition a majority of members signatures.

What is a ‘motion to vacate’, the procedure that ousted Kevin McCarthy?

US House speaker was removed from office after making deal with Democrats to avert shutdown

www.theguardian.com

If it is introduced as a “privileged” resolution, the House must consider it at some point, although it could be delayed with procedural votes.

Btw, McHenry is suppose to be one that can be trusted by Dems. He instantly is petty.

Rep. Patrick McHenry, R-N.C., who has taken over as acting Speaker, complained that Democrats "can't be counted on in a moment like this." Freshman Rep. Mike Lawler, R-N.Y., one of 18 GOP lawmakers in districts that President Joe Biden won, claimed on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Democrats should have saved McCarthy to "put the country first."

Again, why is it the Dems job? These clowns could've easily concede to some dem demands. Their greed and hubris lead to this vacate rule from the start. Jefferies made that point in his release. They could ve began and ended with a power sharing house by giving in to a few concessions. A small number of these "moderate" could done that in jan. No McCarthy with a slim majority said f that.

To compare, the Dems with a 50/50 Senate agreed to a power sharing agreement. That's what adults do. These house repubs refused, none approached the Dems in jan or this past week. To think otherwise is wishful thinking. Unfortunately, they will again have to make this decision soon. So far they have chosen party over country. Let's hope they grow up.

 

[UriUT]

I expected nothing less. Typical Republican playbook: fork everything up, blame Democrats for it.
or
Democrats fix things, Republicans take credit for it

Its like in band of brothers after the nco mutinied, sobel sat and couldn't understand how that's even possible. In his head he was such a good co. McCarthy is that oblivious at how terrible he really is.

 

[DaveXA]

If only John McCain were still alive... (and in the House)

Well, yeah. I mean, I'd say Liz Cheney or similar, but the Rs keep kicking out the sane ones.

 

[zztop]

Apparently even some republicans dislike Gaetz

 

[samiam5211]

Apparently even some republicans dislike Gaetz

Reminds me of the cocaine orgies that Madison Cawthorn talked about.

 

[MT15]

Good job, Schumer:

 

[MT15]

Oh, this would be hilarious, lol:

 

[DaveXA]

Good job, Schumer:

This is sublime. Lmao!