Next Speaker of the House? (17 Viewers)

[MT15]

There’s a lot of doubt that Kevin McCarthy will be able to get enough votes to become Speaker. It certainly won’t happen on the first ballot. Already Boboert and MTG are publicly at odds over it.

Maybe this is worth it’s own thread to watch. One person mentioned is Scalise.

 

[V Chip]

Maybe, but again, who's gonna win that messaging war?

It depends on if the people who hear the message are intelligent or just sycophants.

 

[zztop]

I caught a little of McCarthy's press conference afterwards yesterday. If anyone wonders if he could be trusted, watch a little of it. Defiant and projecting blame. Lies about the Biden impeachment. Nothing was his fault. Dems were at fault. Biden is the reason Putin invaded Ukraine. I had to stop after that.

I expected nothing less. Typical Republican playbook: fork everything up, blame Democrats for it.
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Democrats fix things, Republicans take credit for it

 

[DaveXA]

Good to know, Dave. I was going by the fact they call them hideaway offices, and they are in addition to their offices in one of the office buildings. From what I gathered not everyone gets an office actually in the Capitol building. Is that correct?

Correct. Only a few get actual offices in the Capitol building, typically majority and minority leaders and iirc some Committee leaders. And they're hideaway in the sense that they aren't the typical easy to locate, large offices of the 6 Congressional office buildings near the Capitol. The Speaker's office and Majority leader's office in the Capitol are really nice and ornate. The hideaways are a far cry from those. I think there are a couple that are actually quite small, but many of the offices in the Capitol and the offices vary in size. The history of them are pretty interesting if you're a nerd. Lol. But I like that sort of thing.

 

[samiam5211]

The Lincoln Project needs to be running ads trashing Gym Jordan using the kids from Ohio State who were abused.

Him as Speaker would almost be as bad as Trump as President.

 

[DaveXA]

Where's my shocked (not shocked) face?

And while Congressmen have long played games office space, this is beyond the pale. Fork McCarthy. He's a terrible human.

 

[DaveXA]

Yes! No matter how often stupid people say that media favors the democrats, it just isn’t true.

I definitely think there's some bias, but it's not anywhere near the level the right tends to male it out to be.

 

[DaveXA]

It depends on if the people who hear the message are intelligent or just sycophants.

Indeed, lol.

 

[DaveXA]

The Lincoln Project needs to be running ads trashing Gym Jordan using the kids from Ohio State who were abused.

Him as Speaker would almost be as bad as Trump as President.

As hard as it is to imagine, Jordan would be a far, far worse choice as Speaker. God I hate listening to that guy speak.

But hey, if it makes the R party look worse, maybe I'll tolerate it. I can't imagine any remotely moderate Republican would want to put up with his nonsense. The Rs won't be the majority party long with him as Speaker.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

And while Congressmen have long played games office space, this is beyond the pale. Fork McCarthy. He's a terrible human.

He's definitely on a revenge tour.

 

[bird]

Jim Jordan officially throws his hat in the ring

Bird (upon hearing this news) officially throws up.

 

[coldseat]

Bird (upon hearing this news) officially throws up.

They'll probably elect him Speaker. You can always trust Republicans to go lower.

Plus they really want to spite Democrats for not running to protect them from their own members.

 

[MT15]

Knives are out for Gaetz. I would not be surprised to see him get the Cawthorn treatment. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy, lol.

 

[Lapaz]

As hard as it is to imagine, Jordan would be a far, far worse choice as Speaker. God I hate listening to that guy speak.

But hey, if it makes the R party look worse, maybe I'll tolerate it. I can't imagine any remotely moderate Republican would want to put up with his nonsense. The Rs won't be the majority party long with him as Speaker.

The problem is Jordan wants to shut down a lot of the government. The blackmail will be huge if Jordan gets the speakership. Democrats need to realize that the best strategy is to back a moderate Republican, rather than continuing to push Jeffries, that will absolutely not be elected. The losses that would occur with 1 year of Jordan would be devastating.

 

[Taurus]

The problem is Jordan wants to shut down a lot of the government. The blackmail will be huge if Jordan gets the speakership. Democrats need to realize that the best strategy is to back a moderate Republican, rather than continuing to push Jeffries, that will absolutely not be elected. The losses that would occur with 1 year of Jordan would be devastating.

Sadly, Democrats have shown time and again that they can't use power when they have it.

If they could, they'd recognize the strong but not unlimited leverage they now have.

"Look guys, we know a lot of you can't stand MAGAts. Nominate someone levelheaded and sane and we'll back them. You can have pretty much anyone you want and spite the Freedumb Caucus at the same time. Whaddaya say?"

We can turn this whole thing away from Democrat vs Republican and toward Sane vs Looneytunes. A battle the Sane can win going away.

 

[Optimus Prime]

When the House of Representatives voted to oust Kevin McCarthy as speaker on Tuesday, it was the first such removal in American history, a vivid rebuke of his leadership and an escalation of the civil strife within the Republican Party.


But historians and political scientists say it is something more: a warning sign for the health of American democracy.


“If you want to know what it looks like when democracy is in trouble, this is what it looks like,” said Daniel Ziblatt, professor of government at Harvard University. “It should set off alarm bells that something is not right.”

The vote reflected the enormous power that a small group of representatives camped on their party’s ideological fringe can wield over an entire institution, said Ziblatt, co-author of the book “Tyranny of the Minority.”

It also showcased how difficult it will be for anyone to corral the House in a way that’s functional, with major decisions over the budget and Ukraine funding ahead.

Congress arrived at this point for myriad reasons, all of which build on one another, scholars say: Social media and cable news incentivized politicians to perform for the camera, not for their constituents.

Aggressive gerrymandering created deeply partisan districts where representation is decided in primary contests, not general elections.

Weakened political parties became captive to their loudest and most extreme members.


Taken together, those factors handed a small number of lawmakers the power to throw one of the three branches of government into disarray and, for now, paralysis.

The band of eight Republicans who rejected McCarthy, most of whom are members of the hard-right Freedom Caucus, were opposed by 210 of their fellow GOP representatives, all of whom voted to keep the speaker in place.


The rebels collectively represent just 1.8 percent of the country, all in safely Republican districts. But with Democrats voting in lockstep against a speaker who they said had repeatedly broken their trust, that was enough to secure McCarthy’s defeat in a closely divided House.
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By voting en masse against McCarthy, Democrats highlighted the dysfunction in the Republican Party, which they have pointed to as a reason the GOP should not be trusted again with the majority after next year’s election.

But Democrats also risked contributing to the broader dysfunction in the House.
Some McCarthy allies urged Democrats to do something unprecedented and save a speaker of the opposite party out of concern for the stability of the institution.

Democrats rebuffed their appeal: In their eyes, McCarthy had spearheaded an illegitimate impeachment inquiry, tried to subvert the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, and acted in bad faith during budget negotiations. He wasn’t worth saving.


McCarthy has not endorsed a would-be successor, leaving Republicans to scramble to find a viable candidate.

Barring an unlikely and unprecedented consensus speaker who receives support from both parties, aspirants will need to earn the favor of nearly the entire Republican caucus, which ranges from relative moderates representing districts won by President Biden to the hard-right faction that just toppled one of its own…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/04/republican-votes-kevin-mccarthy-ousted/

 

[bird]

Knives are out for Gaetz. I would not be surprised to see him get the Cawthorn treatment. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy, lol.

Can we turn Cawthorn into a verb? “Today the Republican Party Cawthorned Boebert, Greene, Gosar and Jordan.” Please, oh, please.

 

[samiam5211]

Can we turn Cawthorn into a verb? “Today the Republican Party Cawthorned Boebert, Greene, Gosar and Jordan.” Please, oh, please.

We should also turn Bobert in to a verb.

The man gave the prostitute 50 dollars so she would bobert him.

 

[DaveXA]

The problem is Jordan wants to shut down a lot of the government. The blackmail will be huge if Jordan gets the speakership. Democrats need to realize that the best strategy is to back a moderate Republican, rather than continuing to push Jeffries, that will absolutely not be elected. The losses that would occur with 1 year of Jordan would be devastating.

Agreed.