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[Huntn]

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.

www.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?

 

[SamAndreas]

We forgot Hoover.

And that fat GRover Cleveland. He was remarkably a conman similar to Trump.

 

[MT15]

It was a discussion topic when I was in high school and college.

In your location - maybe. What does that prove? Why don’t you give us a list of those who are currently arguing as you do?

 

[Optimus Prime]

It was a discussion topic when I was in high school and college.

Why did have a vision of you bringing this up at every reunion and everyone is like “Jesus! Still with this??!!”

 

[Sendai]

LBJ never ran a hotel in DC where foreign governments understood if they rented entire floors of rooms they would get more attention from him. He never sold cheap Chinese goods at ridiculous markups to take advantage of his position. He never ran crypto schemes where foreign governments can curry favor by spending millions of dollars and there is no transparency.

LBJ never undercut the security of our elections with lies about voter fraud. He never sent a mob to break into the Capitol and trash it while threatening lawmakers.

I don’t know why you would even attempt to defend Trump here.

LBJ’s corruption was likely worse.

 

[Sendai]

Let's see you're 74 now, that would have been when Nixon was president.

Johnson for the first 3.5 years then Nixon.

But my education on the constitution was an incredibly deep dive that got down to topics like this.

 

[MT15]

LBJ’s corruption was likely worse.

That’s your opinion. I don’t think too many people share it. Even you are qualifying it - you don’t know, you’re just speculating. With the effect of normalizing Trump.

 

[Sendai]

That’s your opinion. I don’t think too many people share it. Even you are qualifying it - you don’t know, you’re just speculating. With the effect of normalizing Trump.

It’s the opinion of a lot of biographers as well.

 

[TampaJoe]

Let’s limit it to POTUS. There’s nothing remotely comparable to Trump, at least in my lifetime. Nothing even comes close. He’s the dirtiest politician in multiple lifetimes.

Not only is he completely corrupt, this time he has surrounded himself with a cabinet truly as devoid of ethics as he is. His first term he at least started with some good cabinet members. This time it’s crooks and sociopaths all the way down.

Nah. Let’s not limit it to POTUS. Corruption in government at any level undermines confidence in government.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

But my education on the constitution was an incredibly deep dive that got down to topics like this.

Continuing along the lines of a "deep dive," it's very apparent that any "deep dive" you had into the constitution was head first from more than 10 feet up into a foot of water covering a granite bed of rock in an abandoned quarry with signs posted everywhere warning "Diving not allowed and very dangerous."

You grossly misinterpret the constitution and no high school education has ever done a "deep dive" into the constitution.

 

[TampaJoe]

Actually it’s been very effective with the offices of profit or trust.

We disagree. The ethical standards in the top levels of government would get you fired in most private businesses. But if it’s not “illegal” there are no consequences. People look the other way.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

LBJ. He just hid it.

GHB and GWB, they just hid it.

We forgot Hoover.

And that fat GRover Cleveland. He was remarkably a conman similar to Trump.

LBJ’s corruption was likely worse.

More false excuses and covering for Trump.

There's only been one president so corrupt that they tried to overturn an election by inciting and allowing an attack on the Capitol to try to shut down the will of the voters.

Nothing any other president has done has been as corrupt as that and it was Trump that did that. Trump has been much more corrupt than any other president in many other ways, but that is undeniably the most corrupt thing any president has done.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Nah. Let’s not limit it to POTUS. Corruption in government at any level undermines confidence in government.

Not all members of Congress are corrupt, the ones that are corrupt aren't equally corrupt and the unequal degrees of corruption have unequal negative impacts and undermine confidence in the government unequally.

Your claim that they are all corrupt and equally corrupt is false, because you are saying things that are not the same are all the same. I don't know what you're intentions are, but I do know you are making a false statement and that false statement does help undermine people's confidence in government.

 

[TampaJoe]

More false excuses and covering for Trump.

There's only been one president so corrupt that they tried to overturn an election by inciting and allowing an attack on the Capitol to try to shut down the will of the voters.

Nothing any other president has done has been as corrupt as that and it was Trump that did that. Trump has been much more corrupt than any other president in many other ways, but that is undeniably the most corrupt thing any president has done.

Okay. LA. Trump is corrupt. Trump is unethical. Got it. I don’t disagree.

Corruption is a systemic problem. That is the point. Ignoring or defending other corruption in government does nothing to solve the problem. Nothing at all.

People speak about normalizing Trump while at the same time ignoring and normalizing corruption in the system.

I am not saying that is your intent. You don’t like Trump so you are swinging for him. I get it. He brings it on himself IMO. But once he is gone, the problem will remain.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Okay. LA. Trump is corrupt. Trump is unethical. Got it. I don’t disagree.

Trump isn't just corrupt, he's the most corrupt president by far that we've ever had.

Corruption is a systemic problem. That is the point. Ignoring or defending other corruption in government does nothing to solve the problem. Nothing at all.

The only person defending systemic corruption is @Sendai, so maybe you should take issue with him when he does that. Neither @MT15 nor anyone else has defended systemic corruption in government. Other than Sendai, everyone else agrees there is corruption and it needs to be cleaned up.

People speak about normalizing Trump while at the same time ignoring and normalizing corruption in the system.

Only Sendai is doing that. MT15 was only saying that when speaking about presidents only, Trump was by far the most corrupt. She didn't say that Congressional corruption was non-existent or acceptable. That was a false conclusion that you jumped to all by yourself.

I am not saying that is your intent. You don’t like Trump so you are swinging for him. I get it.

No, you obviously don't get it and you do this a lot. My post you just quoted was a direct response to people directly saying that there were other presidents either as corrupt or more corrupt than Trump. I was responding directly to that, so there was no reason for me to discuss corruption in Congress.

You are deflecting attention away from Trump in a conversation that was directly and solely about Trump's corruption. I don't know what your intentions are, but the outcome is that you are distracting attention away from Trump's corruption by jumping to say, "what about Congress."

You top that off with a false implication that I'm okay with corruption in Congress, because I was only talking about Trump's corruption, in a conversation that was only about Trump's corruption by the way.

He brings it on himself IMO. But once he is gone, the problem will remain.

No, once Trump is gone, most of the problems he causes will go with him. This is another statement falsely trying to say things that are not the same are the same.

Trump and his Republicans and every last one of you who voted for Trump and/or his Republicans (I don't know who you are, but you know who you are) are the single worst threat to our freedom and our democracy that this country has ever faced.

 

[SamAndreas]

Johnson for the first 3.5 years then Nixon.

But my education on the constitution was an incredibly deep dive that got down to topics like this.

I don't doubt that, my deep dive was into Jewish law, I learned to read Hebrew and Aramaic, and then read the Talmud, that "book" is made up of 73 thick volumbs, one needs about the same sized bookcase to hold it as one need to hold a legal case law index for us law.

There's a reason Jews often go into law for a profession, they grow up being trained in Jewish law. A rabbi isn't actually a jewish religious leader, the cantor is the actual religious leader. A rabbi is the local law magistrate for a Jewish community. There are jewish communities where the rabbi is also the community dictator.

I'm not of that stripe.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Okay. LA. Trump is corrupt. Trump is unethical. Got it. I don’t disagree.

Corruption is a systemic problem. That is the point. Ignoring or defending other corruption in government does nothing to solve the problem. Nothing at all.

People speak about normalizing Trump while at the same time ignoring and normalizing corruption in the system.

I am not saying that is your intent. You don’t like Trump so you are swinging for him. I get it. He brings it on himself IMO. But once he is gone, the problem will remain.

Both sides!

 

[Sendai]

That’s your opinion. I don’t think too many people share it. Even you are qualifying it - you don’t know, you’re just speculating. With the effect of normalizing Trump.

“A bully with some beef
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Corrupt, callous, cruel and crude, Lyndon Johnson used his dark arts to advance light and liberty with a series of liberal reforms

Andrew Rawnsley
Sun 11 Aug 2002 05.54 EDT
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The Years of Lyndon Johnson Volume 3: Master of the Senate
by Robert A Caro
Jonathan Cape £30, pp1202
We all know that power tends to corrupt. This dazzling book raises the question whether the black stuff can uncorrupt. Can bad men become powers for good? This is my thought rather than the author's, but the theme weaves implicitly through this awesome third pillar of Robert A Caro's monumental study of one of the darkest and yet most reforming American politicians of the twentieth century.


Lyndon Baines Johnson was a monster. Like many of his kind, he was driven by childhood demons, in this case the humiliation and insecurity suffered when his father lost the family ranch in Texas. He was corrupt, cruel, callous, crude, a vicious user of women, a bully of men and a shameless thief of elections. He sucked up to his superiors and kicked down on his inferiors. A favoured device to embarrass subordinates was obliging them to take his orders while he defecated. He liked to pee in the washbasin in his office in front of female secretaries and then wave his member about. Inordinately proud of his sexual apparatus, Johnson was given to bragging: 'Jumbo had a real workout tonight.'
He treated his devoted wife with abominable contempt. As Lady Bird sat next to them, he would thrust his hand up another woman's skirt. He was a physical coward who went to great lengths to avoid combat service in World War II. He was a moral coward. Fearing to be on the unpopular side of public hysteria during the Red Scare, he could have, but did not, mobilise opinion against Joseph McCarthy before that fascist had blighted the lives of thousands of innocent Americans.
Johnson's oceanic ego was expressed in his wardrobe. His initials were monogrammed on his belt buckle as they were on his shirts and on the gold cufflinks that bellowed 'LBJ' from each wrist. His initials were inscribed all over the LBJ Ranch he built in Texas in an attempt to exorcise those childhood ghosts.
When Johnson stole his way into the Senate in January 1949, it looked as though he was just a further addition to the forces of reaction in that benighted institution. The Senate had for decades been a cruel joke against progress and reform. America's upper house was pickled in archaic rules, the most rigid of which was the the seniority system - correctly dubbed the 'senility system' - which placed control in the arthritic grip of a gerontocracy. For nearly a century, the Senate had been 'the stronghold of the status quo, the dam against which the waves of social reform dashed themselves in vain'.”

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

“A bully with some beef
This article is more than 22 years old
Corrupt, callous, cruel and crude, Lyndon Johnson...

Since it's more than 22 years old, it can't possibly say that Johnson was a more corrupt president than Trump, so there's that right off the bat.

Then there's the fact that Lyndon Johnson did not incite and allow people to attack the Capitol to try to overthrow an election that he lost. That is by far the most corrupt thing any president has done and it has only been done by Trump.

It's clear you are a Trump sympathizer at this point, because only a Trump sympathizer would make the false claim that any other president has been as corrupt as Trump is. You should just go ahead and openly admit it, because everyone and I do mean everyone, can see it plain as day.

Why is it that Trump sympathizers try so hard to hide that they are Trump sympathizers? It's because they know people won’t swallow the bullshirt they’re shoveling to make false excuses and false justifications for Trump’s corruption. They know they can’t be honest about being a Trump sympathizer and fool people into believing that what Trump is doing is not worse than other presidents, that what he’s doing isn’t corrupt, that what he’s doing is dangerous, and the real kicker, that Trump isn’t doing what every sees Trump actually doing.

They know that if you know they’re on Trump’s side, that they can’t fool you into letting Trump and them have their way with us and our country. They know that if we stand up to Trump, then Trump, his Republicans and everyone who voted for him won’t be able to have their way with us and our country. They very desperately want to have their way with us and our country.