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[Huntn]

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.

www.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?

 

[MT15]

You really don't see a problem with this?

Will the next President of the United States be able to use this? Will anyone other than Trump be able to use this? If not, then this is definitely a very expensive gift from a foreign government to a man who is also doing personal business with that same government.

Not only that - his AG, who made the decision and personally wrote the memo saying this is all A-OK, most recent job was as a lobbyist for … Quatar.

Nobody should be okay with any of this n

 

[MT15]

It’s a gift to the United States.

As to the emoluments clause , it applies to “offices of profit or trust”. Elected officials aren’t “offices of profit or trust”. Offices of Profit or Trust are appointed. Thats why the House and Senate have specific House and Senate rules prohibiting House and Senate members from accepting emoluments.

I don’t think your interpretation is considered valid, except by people like you I suppose. If you don’t think that POTUS is an office of trust, I don’t think there’s any point talking much further. That’s ridiculous. It’s the ultimate office of trust in this country.

From Britannica;

What Is the Emoluments Clause? | Britannica

How a single line of the U.S. Constitution guards against improper foreign influence on federal officeholders.

www.britannica.com

The emoluments clause, also called the foreign emoluments clause, is a provision of the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 8) that generally prohibits federal officeholders from receiving any gift, payment, or other thing of value from a foreign state or its rulers, officers, or representatives. The clause provides that:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

The Constitution also contains a “domestic emoluments clause” (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 7), which prohibits the president from receiving any “Emolument” from the federal government or the states beyond “a Compensation” for his “Services” as chief executive.

 

[RobF]

I don’t think your interpretation is considered valid, except by people like you I suppose. If you don’t think that POTUS is an office of trust, I don’t think there’s any point talking much further. That’s ridiculous. It’s the ultimate office of trust in this country.

From Britannica;

What Is the Emoluments Clause? | Britannica

How a single line of the U.S. Constitution guards against improper foreign influence on federal officeholders.

www.britannica.com

The emoluments clause, also called the foreign emoluments clause, is a provision of the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 8) that generally prohibits federal officeholders from receiving any gift, payment, or other thing of value from a foreign state or its rulers, officers, or representatives. The clause provides that:



The Constitution also contains a “domestic emoluments clause” (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 7), which prohibits the president from receiving any “Emolument” from the federal government or the states beyond “a Compensation” for his “Services” as chief executive.

The last time they tried arguing this they ended up dumping a copy and paste of a website about offices of profit in India (where the presidency is an "office of profit"). It did not go well, ended here:

Trump Indictment ( includes NY AG and Fed documents case )

Former President D. Trump has been indicted by a New York Grand Jury. There will be much to talk about on this topic because this is just the first step in a lengthy process. Possibly it is worthy of its own thread here rather than posting about Trump's indictment in already existing threads...

madaboutpolitics.com

I would not recommend trying to engage seriously with this, because at least as far as that particular line of reasoning goes, it clearly isn't serious.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

This whole...discussion about this plane is just dumb! It's never going to be used as AF1, it will be cost prohibitive to even configure this A/C to function as such. It will take hundreds of millions to install the electronic warfare and communication suite, nvmd the search & removal of any contraband.

Trump can accept illegal gift from Qatar and he can install his stupid livery, but it will never fly with the U.S. Air Force.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Keep in mind that Kushner's company got a billion dollar bailout from Qatar during the first Trump presidency. While Kushner was also working in the White House.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

But let's go on about Hunter Biden getting money in 2018 after his father was out of office.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Also, something else to keep in mind. If it becomes a part of the Presidential Library, Trump can still use it for his travel. It's basically a very thinly disguised personal gift from a country to Trump. I'm sure they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart.

 

[Sendai]

I don’t think your interpretation is considered valid, except by people like you I suppose. If you don’t think that POTUS is an office of trust, I don’t think there’s any point talking much further. That’s ridiculous. It’s the ultimate office of trust in this country.

From Britannica;

What Is the Emoluments Clause? | Britannica

How a single line of the U.S. Constitution guards against improper foreign influence on federal officeholders.

www.britannica.com

The emoluments clause, also called the foreign emoluments clause, is a provision of the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 8) that generally prohibits federal officeholders from receiving any gift, payment, or other thing of value from a foreign state or its rulers, officers, or representatives. The clause provides that:



The Constitution also contains a “domestic emoluments clause” (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 7), which prohibits the president from receiving any “Emolument” from the federal government or the states beyond “a Compensation” for his “Services” as chief executive.

My interpretation was a college classroom education in the fine study of the constitution and the preceding history that led to its creation. Classroom materials were acts of Parliament and Scandinavian(which some historians think actually came up with the concept) countries that clearly distinguished offices of profit or trust from those elected to office. And the fact that the constitution distinguishes the House and Senate from offices of profit, trust, and honor. Offices of Profit and Trust are ambassadors, legates, consuls, and the myriad of King/executive appointments. It was intended to stop those representatives from being bribed by their Uncles, Aunts, and Cousins who were ruling competing nations.

 

[Sendai]

Also, something else to keep in mind. If it becomes a part of the Presidential Library, Trump can still use it for his travel. It's basically a very thinly disguised personal gift from a country to Trump. I'm sure they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart.

By the time the library is built, if ever, trump will be long gone.

 

[MT15]

By the time the library is built, if ever, trump will be long gone.

Trump will be flying in that plane until the day he dies. He uses everything connected to him as his own personal property. This is just plain fact. He’s done it repeatedly both in and out of office.

And your ideas about the emoluments clause are just fantasy.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Also, something else to keep in mind. If it becomes a part of the Presidential Library, Trump can still use it for his travel. It's basically a very thinly disguised personal gift from a country to Trump. I'm sure they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart.

It's an outright personal gift! That jet cannot be configured to serve as a military aircraft.

 

[MT15]

My interpretation was a college classroom education in the fine study of the constitution and the preceding history that led to its creation. Classroom materials were acts of Parliament and Scandinavian(which some historians think actually came up with the concept) countries that clearly distinguished offices of profit or trust from those elected to office. And the fact that the constitution distinguishes the House and Senate from offices of profit, trust, and honor. Offices of Profit and Trust are ambassadors, legates, consuls, and the myriad of King/executive appointments. It was intended to stop those representatives from being bribed by their Uncles, Aunts, and Cousins who were ruling competing nations.

So you are admitting your stance isn’t based on the US Constitution nor the common interpretation thereof. Rob, you’re definitely correct - this isn’t a serious line of reasoning, it’s just a thin veneer to defend corruption.

Also, we shouldn’t forget that Quatar isn’t exactly a bastion of democracy nor freedom, they fund terrorists, and don’t have our best interests in mind with this.

 

[efil4]

Tried to signal yall on previous page. Had to bow out after I read he seriously believes it will be a museum piece.

There is no seriousness to be had here.

I applaud those who continue to undertake the task of discrediting his takes, but he knows it they are misdirection.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

By the time the library is built, if ever, trump will be long gone.

That technically isn't the way it works. If the plane is donated to the Presidential libary, it is available for Trump's use the day after he leaves office. You don't need to actually have the whole library built first -- the entity is established far before the actual physical building is erected.

It seems like a weird thing for you to defend. A foreign government makes a veyr expensive personal gift to the President. That should be a no brainer... hey, this isn't a great idea.

And no one is even talking about how his personal businesses are still doing deals with foreign governments.

 

[Neworleansfan]

 

[Sendai]

So you are admitting your stance isn’t based on the US Constitution nor the common interpretation thereof. Rob, you’re definitely correct - this isn’t a serious line of reasoning, it’s just a thin veneer to defend corruption.

Also, we shouldn’t forget that Quatar isn’t exactly a bastion of democracy nor freedom, they fund terrorists, and don’t have our best interests in mind with this.

I’m pretty sure an in depth 6 hour class specifically on the U S constitution means my analysis is based purely on the constitution. Studying specifically the acts of parliament addressing the terms “offices of profit or trust “ leading up to the creation of the constitution should be obvious it’s based on the constitution. The framers didn’t invent the term offices of profit or trust. There was a long history in Europe preceding the usage in the constitution. Quite possibly originating in Scandinavian countries. Plus the fact that the framers distinguished the House and Senate from offices of profit or trust in the constitution pretty much means my stance is based on the constitution and the history leading up to its creation. We studied intrinsically how the framers crafted the constitution and what it meant and the intent behind it. This is where I learned “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” simply means there can be no national religion and it was included to satisfy the 9 States that had an official state religion they wanted to protect.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It’s a gift to the United States.

As to the emoluments clause , it applies to “offices of profit or trust”. Elected officials aren’t “offices of profit or trust”. Offices of Profit or Trust are appointed. Thats why the House and Senate have specific House and Senate rules prohibiting House and Senate members from accepting emoluments.

Your position is that Framers intended for it to be both legal and acceptable for the President of the United States to openly accept gifts from foreign nations//heads of state?

 

[Sendai]

Your position is that Framers intended for it to be both legal and acceptable for the President of the United States to openly accept gifts from foreign nations//heads of state?

I’m saying the framers specifically stated a group of appointed officers known at that time as “offices of profit or trust” were not permitted to accept emoluments. As I said earlier, historically these people were ambassadors, consuls, legates, etc. pretty much any and all officials appointed by the king/executive. Actually it was common in Europe for kings and queens and high placed officials and representatives to give gifts. Also, as I said previously, restrictions in Europe on emoluments, were intended to keep such officers of profit and trust from being bribed by kings, queens, princes , Dukes, etc. who were likely to be aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. of the officers of profit and trust. European royalty were generally in some way related. And the officers of profit and trust were generally royalty.

The founders and elected officials were landed men that did business regularly. Selling crops and goods abroad as well as at home. Washington was a businessman while president. Same with Jefferson, although he wasn’t particularly good at business. But they didn’t want their ambassadors, consuls, and overseas representatives be granted emoluments from foreign governments.