Law be damned, Trump asserts unilateral control over executive branch, federal service (5 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Following the Project 2025 playbook, in the last week, Trump and his newly installed loyalists have moved to (1) dismiss federal officials deemed unreliable to do his bidding (including 17 inspectors general) - many of which have protections from arbitrary dismissal, (2) freeze all science and public health activity until he can wrest full control, (3) freeze all federal assistance and grant activity deemed inconsistent with Trump's agenda, and (4) moved to terminate all federal employee telework and DEI programs.

The problem is much of this is controlled by federal law and not subject to sudden and complete change by the president through executive order. Most notably is the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 that simply codifies what is the constitutional allocation of resources where Congress appropriates money to the executive branch for a specific purpose, the executive branch must carry out that statutory purpose. This is indeed a constitutional crisis and even if Congress abdicates to Trump by acquiescing, the courts must still apply the law - or rule it unconstitutional.

And meanwhile the architect of much of this unlawful action is Russell Vought, Trump’s OMB nominee who the Senate appears ready to confirm.

120. The Impoundment Crisis of 2025

The Trump administration's Monday spending freeze is likely to provoke a crisis over the constitutionality of "impoundment"—one that the justices could well have to resolve *very* soon.

www.stevevladeck.com

 

[bird]

remember no hand on the bible. you must have missed that part. he also took the oath last time and then tried to overthrow an election.

Doesn’t need to be with a Bible. Beyond that Trump doesn’t give a schlitz anyway. Doesn’t bother Joe either.

 

[J-DONK]

Who said I have a pen and a phone? I don’t recall hearing much pushback from Dems on that rhetoric. I don’t recall hearing any pushback from Dems on Biden’s EO’s. I don’t recall any pushback from Dems on Biden bragging about continuing to bypass SC rulings on student loan forgiveness. I don’t recall any curiosity from Dems at all about all the foreign money flowing to Biden family members. There are others. So you can birch and moan all day long about equivalencies. But fact is you guys only give a crap when it’s the other side. You behave the same way when the finger is pointed at your guy. Double standards are double standards regardless of party. You are perfectly happy with a unitary executive when your guy is in charge. You can pretend it’s otherwise but that dawg don’t hunt anymore.

The public is tired of corruption. From BOTH parties.

You think Biden lawfully forgiving old college debt, and Hunter selling paintings is the same?

You could have looked this up btw. It explains exactly how Biden was still forgiving debt.

How Biden is continuing to cancel student loan debt despite Supreme Court ruling | CNN Politics

Although the Supreme Court struck down President Joe Biden’s signature student loan forgiveness program in late June, his administration has found ways to cancel more than $48 billion in debt since then.

www.cnn.com

 

[DaveXA]

You think Biden lawfully forgiving old college debt, and Hunter selling paintings is the same?

You could have looked this up btw. It explains exactly how Biden was still forgiving debt.

How Biden is continuing to cancel student loan debt despite Supreme Court ruling | CNN Politics

Although the Supreme Court struck down President Joe Biden’s signature student loan forgiveness program in late June, his administration has found ways to cancel more than $48 billion in debt since then.

www.cnn.com

He's a lemming like the rest of them. Doesn't know what objectivity is.

 

[efil4]

Who said I have a pen and a phone? I don’t recall hearing much pushback from Dems on that rhetoric. I don’t recall hearing any pushback from Dems on Biden’s EO’s. I don’t recall any pushback from Dems on Biden bragging about continuing to bypass SC rulings on student loan forgiveness. I don’t recall any curiosity from Dems at all about all the foreign money flowing to Biden family members. There are others. So you can birch and moan all day long about equivalencies. But fact is you guys only give a crap when it’s the other side. You behave the same way when the finger is pointed at your guy. Double standards are double standards regardless of party. You are perfectly happy with a unitary executive when your guy is in charge. You can pretend it’s otherwise but that dawg don’t hunt anymore.

The public is tired of corruption. From BOTH parties.

Lol student loan forgiveness = corruption.

This dude- foreign $$$ "flowing to Biden family" - Got any proof outside of what NewsMax told you. Saudis give $2 BILLION to Jared Kushner LOL.

There are no others which is why you stopped after the feeble attempt at just 2 examples - none of which are even close to what is happening right now.

as for your equivalencies- if they are false, they are false.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND the two you posted are verifiably FALSE.

 

[DaveXA]

Lol student loan forgiveness = corruption.

This dude- foreign $$$ "flowing to Biden family" - Got any proof outside of what NewsMax told you. Saudis give $2 BILLION to Jared Kushner LOL.

There are no others which is why you stopped after the feeble attempt at just 2 examples - none of which are even close to what is happening right now.

as for your equivalencies- if they are false, they are false.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND the two you posted are verifiably FALSE.

Verifiable indeed. The fact that he resorts to proven falsehoods says it all.

 

[faceman]

It is indeed what it is, but what it is, is laughable.

There is no Democratic president in history remotely equivalent to Donald Trump, who has been impeached for the things Donald Trump has been impeached for. Hence, there can have been no failure from Democratic representatives to impeach a Democratic president for the equivalent things to Donald Trump.

There's no "both sides" here. To be frank, I find it remarkable anyone would have the lack of shame necessary to argue otherwise,

Andrew Jackson was a democrat and guilty of some horrible things. The Trail of Tears was ethnic cleansing of native americans.
He also wanted to dismantle the nations banking industry. Had he won we would not have survived as a nation.

The above said you are right. There is no democrat post the civil rights era that's in the same area code as Trump.

 

[MT15]

Who said I have a pen and a phone? I don’t recall hearing much pushback from Dems on that rhetoric. I don’t recall hearing any pushback from Dems on Biden’s EO’s. I don’t recall any pushback from Dems on Biden bragging about continuing to bypass SC rulings on student loan forgiveness. I don’t recall any curiosity from Dems at all about all the foreign money flowing to Biden family members. There are others. So you can birch and moan all day long about equivalencies. But fact is you guys only give a crap when it’s the other side. You behave the same way when the finger is pointed at your guy. Double standards are double standards regardless of party. You are perfectly happy with a unitary executive when your guy is in charge. You can pretend it’s otherwise but that dawg don’t hunt anymore.

The public is tired of corruption. From BOTH parties.

None of this is specifics. Biden obeyed Supreme Court rulings, trying to craft an EO that wouldn’t get overturned by the SC is definitely not lawless behavior, nor anything in contradiction to the Constitution. You cannot say that about Trump’s EOs, of which some are in direct defiance of the Constitution. To say these two things are the same is just crazy talk.

Foreign money flowing to Biden family members is a propaganda push from Reps. There was never any proof that Biden did anything unethical or illegal, and all of the behavior being discussed happened well before he became President. Contrast that with Trump’s self-dealing that went on brazenly throughout his first term, and even worse now. To say these are the same is just bullshirt.

So bring up something specific, or quit this obvious defense of Trump and his lawlessness with “both sides” BS.

None of us are fooled by it one bit. You love what Trump is doing, laws and Constitution be damned.

 

[Sendai]

You want that so, so bad, don’t you?

The prosecution has issues.

https://media.aflegal.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/01181702/Merged-One-Pagers.pdf

 

[TampaJoe]

You think Biden lawfully forgiving old college debt, and Hunter selling paintings is the same?

You could have looked this up btw. It explains exactly how Biden was still forgiving debt.

How Biden is continuing to cancel student loan debt despite Supreme Court ruling | CNN Politics

Although the Supreme Court struck down President Joe Biden’s signature student loan forgiveness program in late June, his administration has found ways to cancel more than $48 billion in debt since then.

www.cnn.com

Since we are concerned with the unitary executive, I brought this up to point out that the administration had to be sued to prevent it from forgiving student debt. Forgiving debt is “spending money” and spending authority lies with the legislature.

Hunter getting paid by foreign governments and laundering those payments through 20 shell companies to himself and members of his family is certainly a red flag especially when his father is a high ranking government official who has considerable influence over policy. Any auditor would tell you that. And yet that investigation was stalled, slow walked and obstructed for years. It took a couple of whistleblowers to expose the corruption. Biden went thru several versions of his story regarding knowledge of Hunters business dealings. He had to walk back some of his statements multiple times. But yeah. Nothing to see here.

 

[TampaJoe]

None of this is specifics. Biden obeyed Supreme Court rulings, trying to craft an EO that wouldn’t get overturned by the SC is definitely not lawless behavior, nor anything in contradiction to the Constitution. You cannot say that about Trump’s EOs, of which some are in direct defiance of the Constitution. To say these two things are the same is just crazy talk.

Foreign money flowing to Biden family members is a propaganda push from Reps. There was never any proof that Biden did anything unethical or illegal, and all of the behavior being discussed happened well before he became President. Contrast that with Trump’s self-dealing that went on brazenly throughout his first term, and even worse now. To say these are the same is just bullshirt.

So bring up something specific, or quit this obvious defense of Trump and his lawlessness with “both sides” BS.

None of us are fooled by it one bit. You love what Trump is doing, laws and Constitution be damned.

If what you claim is true MT and you have proof of laws being broken or constitutional violations, then sue. Go to court. Present YOUR evidence.

I don’t work for nor am I a member of the GOP. I don’t work in government or law enforcement. I’m not a prosecutor. So if YOU or anyone else has proof of all these crimes beyond allegations, then take you case to the courts or to law enforcement. The minority has the same rights as Republicans had against the prior administration. But it takes more that allegations and suggestions. It takes actual proof. You keep demanding it of others.

 

[FullMonte]

His term expires on Jan. 20, 2029 automatically. Nobody has to fire him. His employment as President ends on that date under the Constitution.

That’s true. But if his lackeys refuse to certify a new election result

I don’t recall any pushback from Dems on Biden bragging about continuing to bypass SC rulings on student loan forgiveness.

That's a great example. You see, Biden't didn't "bypass SC rulings on student loan forgiveness." When the SC ruled that he could not forgive student loans using the law or legal precedent he used, he complied with that ruling. He then went and found a different law or legal precedent, and tried to use that one.

That's LITERALLY how the system is supposed to work. If the courts tell you that you can't do something because a particular law prohibits it, you are free to find a different way to accomplish the same goal.

 

[TampaJoe]

That’s true. But if his lackeys refuse to certify a new election result


That's a great example. You see, Biden't didn't "bypass SC rulings on student loan forgiveness." When the SC ruled that he could not forgive student loans using the law or legal precedent he used, he complied with that ruling. He then went and found a different law or legal precedent, and tried to use that one.

That's LITERALLY how the system is supposed to work. If the courts tell you that you can't do something because a particular law prohibits it, you are free to find a different way to accomplish the same goal.

That’s wonderful news. The same holds true for the current administration. The minority needs to take their case and their evidence to the courts.

 

[MT15]

And yet that investigation was stalled, slow walked and obstructed for years.

This is patently false, unless you are asserting that Trump and Barr stalled and slow walked it. Quit saying false statements about what happened. There was no proof, even though Trump attempted to extort Ukraine, and demanded Barr to open an investigation. Are you saying Barr was ignoring evidence? This is just ridiculous from you.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Here's something that ONE judge wrote in his ruling regarding one of trump's attempt to circumvent our Constitution:

"I’ve been on the bench for over four decades," Coughenour, a Ronald Reagan appointee, said. "I can’t remember another case where the question presented is as clear as this one. This is a blatantly unconstitutional order."

There is no ambiguity here. This judge seemed to be confounded that he even had to hear this case.

 

[MT15]

If what you claim is true MT and you have proof of laws being broken or constitutional violations, then sue. Go to court. Present YOUR evidence.

I don’t work for nor am I a member of the GOP. I don’t work in government or law enforcement. I’m not a prosecutor. So if YOU or anyone else has proof of all these crimes beyond allegations, then take you case to the courts or to law enforcement. The minority has the same rights as Republicans had against the prior administration. But it takes more that allegations and suggestions. It takes actual proof. You keep demanding it of others.

Trump and/or his administration is being sued nine ways to Sunday. Because what they are trying to do basically spits on the Constitution. That you seem to think what they are doing is fine, and no different than what Biden did just shows that you are hopelessly in the bag for Trump.

 

[TampaJoe]

This is patently false, unless you are asserting that Trump and Barr stalled and slow walked it. Quit saying false statements about what happened. There was no proof, even though Trump attempted to extort Ukraine, and demanded Barr to open an investigation. Are you saying Barr was ignoring evidence? This is just ridiculous from you.

Who was President after Trump?

 

[TampaJoe]

Trump and/or his administration is being sued nine ways to Sunday. Because what they are trying to do basically spits on the Constitution. That you seem to think what they are doing is fine, and no different than what Biden did just shows that you are hopelessly in the bag for Trump.

If what you claim is true then the courts will find accordingly.

What you think or I think is irrelevant. It is what the court finds.

I don’t think any breach of the Constitution or our laws is fine. How about you?

 

[MT15]

Who was President after Trump?

None of the allegations were new during Biden’s Administration. Trump and Giuliani were lying about Biden during Trump’s term. For years. The FBI took a look because Trump demanded it, and concluded there was no proof that Biden did anything wrong. Are you saying that Bart’s DOJ covered it up?